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  •  READER COMMENTS

    Reader comments on The Dreamers

    Subject: use spellcheck before you insult the reviewers
    Date: May 25, 2005
    Sender: theo (no relation)Previous | Next

    a meta-comment to mr. no-name, who dissed pepe.
    pepe's comment was certainly emotionally loaded, but actually does follow sound argumentative process by offering a plausible hypothesis for the oddly repressed p.o.v. from which joshua tanzer develops most of his critique. pepe uses this as a foreground for his next comment ("you are sick mate") and concludes by offering the richard cline comparison in lieu of a lengthier counter-critique of his own. all-in-all, a concise, functional critique of a critique. check that in americansese, yo! dat meanz pepe's shit is fire on ice, an yo's just stinkt of anglocentrism. as if orthography and grammar have any relevance in internet fora as long as the argument is understandable and sound. "spellcheck?" you say? think there aren't any other people on the web besides the anglo minority? "overintelectual" doesn't even produce a spell-check suggestion! "intelectual" does, but then again, so does "becuase" and you obviously HAVE a spell-checker! elena's comment a bit later has commas dancing all over the place like happy crickets, but does that take away from her argument? no. and kozan doesn't even answer in english! go dnemark! the anglocentric spell-check thang is damn tiring. doesn't have any dialectical value, y'knowwhaddimean??? and just so that this comment doesn't merely have metadialectical value...

    "on the negative effect of artsy-fartsy intellectualism on otherwise 'good' movies"

    there is an odd longing for the conservative lurking beneath joshua tanzer's critique of "The Dreamers". "annoying people...getting out of annoying clothing"? at first i tried to read this neutrally. annoying characters, chracters with flaws, characters who commit hubris can certainly be positive elements in a film. they remind us of how diverse people really are outside of the suburbian monoculture. but as i read on, it became clear this really was meant as a negative description. "...good movie in annyoing movie's clothing"? "If you could skim away all the film-studies crud, you'd have a more intense little film about sexual adventure". there is an intense longing in these statements for a one-dimensional, perfect-world, pleasantvillesque (pre-color), boy-meets-girl, -boy-falls-in-love, -has-crisis, -but-gets-girl-(and a new hummer h2???)in-the-end-and-lives-happily-ever-after movie. everything else, according to tanzer exists only in the intellectuals' "twisted little world". i think everybody has had (or will have) a crazy experience or met (or will meet) a completely whacked-out, but equally mesmerizing person, that jolts you out of the daily rut and fills your life with as much anguish and indecision as happiness (cool!). the film is as much a reminder of such experiences as it that life isn't about collecting comforts and riches, but about living life richly. in this sense "Great Films" DO enrich our lives. that is, if you're not already living life with this kind of intensity and fearlessness in the face of the unexpected or the unconventional. hey, i know people who live lives that would enrich the film industry! perhaps when you grow up in a culture where life and people are hopelessly stereotyped, anything else really would seem "intellectual", "artsy-fartsy European" or "French" and therefore "annoying". but, personally, i don't think so. sure, european society can at times be a catalyst for surprising encounters in contrast to, say, the states. but, in the end, life's only as stereotyped as you want it to be. i think we should be happy that there are films that can be appreciated at the level of the boy-meets-girl story AND AT THE SAME TIME be appreciated at a literary, historical, film-historical and philosophical level. everybody in the audience get's something! the smart ones get something, twice! i mean, hot damn! f**k MY brain! sex is in the loins the heart AND the head!
    in the end, i was happy because it WASN'T yet-another-boy-meets-girl-film (set in los angeles instead of, say... berlin! read "city of angels" vs "himmel ber berlin", heh!)
    und noch ein letztes fr herrn tanzer. ich habe beobachtet, in fllen wie kitchener-waterloo und berlin, und qubec c. und paris, dass es die konservativsten "versionen" einer kultur immer im "ausland" gibt. wie kommt das eigentlich?

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    Re: You pretencious son of a bitch

    Dude, you should use spellcheck before you insult the reviewers. And just becuase you don't like what he's saying doesn't mean it isn't a good review.






    Comment index:

  • You pretencious son of a bitch   from Pepe, Feb 9, 2004
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from , Feb 23, 2004
  • » use spellcheck before you insult the reviewers «   from theo (no relation), May 25, 2005
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from Carmel, Jun 7, 2006
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from , Jan 8, 2007
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from Joe, Mar 19, 2007
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from Joe, Mar 19, 2007
  • cdfiev   from kozan, Nov 24, 2004
  • dreamers   from elena, Jan 12, 2005
  • Re: dreamers   from Angel, Apr 2, 2005
  • TRUE   from SUZAN, Feb 15, 2005
  • [no subject]   from KittyKatMeowz, Jun 19, 2005
  • [no subject]   from abc, Sep 6, 2005
  • Bisexualism   from Bethany, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: Bisexualism   from apaches, Feb 25, 2006
  • hi   from rene ramirez, Mar 11, 2009
  • Love   from mario ciaparrone, May 29, 2010
  • You pretencious son of a bitch   from Pepe, Feb 9, 2004
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from , Feb 23, 2004
  • » use spellcheck before you insult the reviewers «   from theo (no relation), May 25, 2005
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from Carmel, Jun 7, 2006
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from , Jan 8, 2007
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from Joe, Mar 19, 2007
  • Re: You pretencious son of a bitch   from Joe, Mar 19, 2007
  • cdfiev   from kozan, Nov 24, 2004
  • dreamers   from elena, Jan 12, 2005
  • Re: dreamers   from Angel, Apr 2, 2005
  • TRUE   from SUZAN, Feb 15, 2005
  • [no subject]   from KittyKatMeowz, Jun 19, 2005
  • [no subject]   from abc, Sep 6, 2005
  • Bisexualism   from Bethany, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: Bisexualism   from apaches, Feb 25, 2006
  • hi   from rene ramirez, Mar 11, 2009
  • Love   from mario ciaparrone, May 29, 2010