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  •  READER COMMENTS

    Reader comments on What the Bleep Do We Know?

    Subject: Re: Don't waste your money
    Date: Nov 25, 2004
    Sender: stephPrevious | Next

    Thanks for the neurolinguistic programming part, Brad. John - you seem to be on your own in here! I think the claim that internal changes affect the outside world is exaggerated, but as a first step of getting people to even consider this kind of thinking the movie does some good.

    diggindeeper - I appreciate you putting all the background info here too. I'd heard that there was an unnamed organizational affiliation and it's good to have that cleared up. Too many things are promoted without any kind of clarity about who's behind it, to what ends.

    I agree the movie made me extremely uncomfortable with its evangelistic tone. But its "honest", I think in its argument. It marshalls facts in a way that is designed to persuade. Its clumsy, yes. But a waste of time? That seems extreme to me.

    I think about the concept of interpellation that althusser came up with to describe how institutions condition us...how we come to "recognize" a "calling" into "roles" and certain "ways of living". I think this happens between individuals too - and that's where this movie could have gone (I wish) a lot further. But maybe we lack the language or experience or perceptual abilities to lay this part out yet. But, if I'm being conscious of what I put out as an "invitation" to others, how I "hail" them, AND they are mutually engaged in a similar endeavor, that's when I think the leap from quantum physics to social realities can come into view.

    At least, that's what I'm hoping! :-)

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    Re: Don't waste your money

    John seems to be arguing that there is some connection between the occasional bit of real science in this TM infomercial and the ideas espoused by the talking head "scientists". The movie absolutely fails because it uses trickery and falsehood (junk science and pseudoscientific method) to substantiate the claims that using the "right" thought processes will affect measureable (read scientific) change in the world outside of oneself; the proverbial "Mind over matter".

    About the only piece of science that was more or less accurate was how neural nets/neurons and dendrites respond with repeated stimuli. Even this suffered from a poor graphic showing little lightning bolts coming out of a neuron indicating electric current instead of a more accurate graphic that should have shown peptides flowing between the nerve cells). This is how a science known as neurolinguistic programming works. Neurolinguistic programming can certainly affect one's internal neurotransmitter ebb and flow as it relates to one's own emotions, but these guys claim repeatedly throughout this movie that it also can affect the physical world outside of your mind. Absolute balderdash. Every piece (and I use the word "piece" on purpose) of evidence they site to support this has been absolutely invalidaded by real scientists (remember the water being affected by emotions, remember the supposed decrease in violent crime when the TM troops held a vigil in DC to "image peace"). When the water experiment was repeated with the photographer "projecting" different emotions into unlabeled viles of water but someone else kept track of the vile number and reported emotion and switched them around before the photos were shot (the photographer did not know which vial was which at the time of the photo taking); the result was no correlation between the emotion and the photo. The meditation for peace experiment had as a result the highest violent crime summer ever recorded in Washington D.C. according to reported crimes to the police dept! How then did the TM "scientists" explain these results? Well, it was a huge success because the violent crime rate was much lower than it would have been if they hadn't meditated on peace that week! (of course this assumes a known alternate future was avoided). Who can swallow this kind of crap?

    The misuse/mislabeling of science is so eggregious in this flick that it destroys its own credibility to influence anyone of sound mind.






    Comment index:

  • Hmmmmmm   from aguynamedguyinTX, Sep 10, 2004
  • Re: Hmmmmmm   from naeemah, Apr 24, 2005
  • What an oafish review   from Roberto Mazzarella, Sep 15, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Greg, Sep 30, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from David, Oct 4, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Alex, May 14, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Dean, Mar 21, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Apr 3, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from ling, Jul 10, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from errol Sakia, Apr 24, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Dulbass, Jan 30, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Alissa, Oct 17, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from B.Bones, Dec 6, 2006
  • Undisputed facts   from diggingdeeper, Oct 6, 2004
  • Re: Undisputed facts   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Undisputed facts   from Snow Miller, Aug 1, 2005
  • Re: Undisputed facts   from Alex, May 14, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from brad schuster, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Brenden, Nov 25, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Nov 27, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Kappy, Dec 15, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from physics friend, Nov 24, 2004
  • oafish, I think red-neck review is more accurate   from Ricardo Hambina, Apr 24, 2005
  • Re: oafish, I think red-neck review is more accura   from Peace Warrior, Jun 25, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Helen, Jun 12, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from jafagal, Feb 13, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from james carey, Jul 10, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Ummm....eh, Dec 21, 2006
  • I can't wait to see it!   from Bill, Sep 23, 2004
  • Best movie ever!!   from Sandi, Sep 24, 2004
  • Re: this movie is pseudoscientfic propaganda piece   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • What the Bleep   from sihem, Jun 8, 2006
  • A scientist's review   from LTV, Nov 24, 2004
  • Don't waste your money   from Mike, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from brad schuster, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • » Re: Don't waste your money «   from steph, Nov 25, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from , Nov 27, 2004
  • Wake Up!   from Steve, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Wake Up!   from bonnie, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Wake Up!   from Ray Van Gelder, Apr 3, 2005
  • Re: Wake Up!   from John Chiara, Apr 3, 2005
  • What the bleep do we know   from Tommie Sue, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What the bleep do we know   from Bobcham, Nov 24, 2004
  • it's an artistic interpretaion   from joe, Nov 24, 2004
  • People don't Get It!!!!   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: People don't Get It!!!!   from Linda Paul, Mar 18, 2005
  • Re: People don't Get It!!!!   from John Chiara, Apr 3, 2005
  • bleep   from Belmo, Nov 29, 2004
  • What the Bleep do we Know   from Jean Mather, Dec 9, 2004
  • What the bleep not a good but dont be hating   from jeffrey, Dec 30, 2004
  • Bring it east! I've heard....   from Barbara Flynn, Jan 7, 2005
  • big mistake...   from Kram, Jan 8, 2005
  • Oh, Joy   from Brent Butt, Jan 30, 2005
  • Another cult recruitment film   from Eireann, Jan 31, 2005
  • Re: Another cult recruitment film   from naeemah, Apr 24, 2005
  • [no subject]   from , Feb 14, 2005
  • *Create Your Day* CD - inspired by the Movie   from Laurie Kristensen, Mar 8, 2005
  • what the bleep   from peter roloff, Mar 18, 2005
  • The search for spiritual meaning through science   from Sara Houle, Mar 27, 2005
  • keep hope alive   from Bill Widnall, Apr 29, 2005
  • What the Bleep do you know?   from Leah, May 9, 2005
  • The message behind this film for me   from KarlosJ, May 31, 2005
  • taken in...   from kier, Jun 5, 2005
  • Re: taken in...(above post is excellent)   from jay, Jun 13, 2005
  • Critique could have been better.   from Just Another Primate, Jun 5, 2005
  • For What the bleep Fans   from Glenn Parry, Jun 21, 2005
  • what the bleep...   from david, Jul 5, 2005
  • M theory is indeed magical   from dionysus, Aug 19, 2005
  • Super Bleep   from Omar Arana, Aug 20, 2005
  • Re: Super Bleep   from L Brown, Sep 28, 2005
  • They insist of bullshitting on religion & beliefs   from Lucas Santos, Nov 8, 2005
  • Re: They insist of bullshitting on religion & beliefs   from Franz Fortuny L de M, Dec 7, 2005
  • Miceal Ledwith (aka Micheal Ledwith)   from Ann Cox, Dec 17, 2005
  • Re: Miceal Ledwith (aka Micheal Ledwith)   from rik, Mar 28, 2006
  • I can smell your bleep...   from Miggsy, Dec 24, 2005
  • Never send a monkey to do a mans job   from Jack, Dec 24, 2005
  • What the Bleep Do We Know   from steve, Jan 7, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep Do We Know   from miggsy, Jan 9, 2006
  • Missing the point   from sharpinchicago, Jan 18, 2006
  • What the Bleep Do Any Of You Know??   from JoyousEnergy, Feb 7, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep Do Any Of You Know??   from Marcy, Apr 18, 2006
  • Using Science For Validity   from Elana, Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: Using Science For Validity   from FromFrance, Mar 5, 2006
  • What the Bleep...   from rik, Mar 28, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep...   from From France, Apr 3, 2006
  • Really?   from Ted Bonerz, May 16, 2006
  • What the Bleep   from Mary Maurice, May 22, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep   from Saddened, Aug 25, 2006
  • Judgement   from g, Jun 26, 2006
  • Re: Judgement   from matrix, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: Judgement   from Nicolas, Oct 11, 2006
  • My Experience   from San Juanita Mejorado, Aug 21, 2006
  • Typical arrogant review   from Ken, Sep 6, 2006
  • Re: Typical arrogant review   from Nicolas, Oct 11, 2006
  • i loved it   from luke, Sep 15, 2006
  • what the fuck do you know   from matthew, Oct 17, 2006
  • what the bleep   from tainoray, Feb 6, 2007
  • Nay sayer!   from Goat, May 24, 2008
  • Hmmmmmm   from aguynamedguyinTX, Sep 10, 2004
  • Re: Hmmmmmm   from naeemah, Apr 24, 2005
  • What an oafish review   from Roberto Mazzarella, Sep 15, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Greg, Sep 30, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from David, Oct 4, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Alex, May 14, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Dean, Mar 21, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Apr 3, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from ling, Jul 10, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from errol Sakia, Apr 24, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Dulbass, Jan 30, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Alissa, Oct 17, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from B.Bones, Dec 6, 2006
  • Undisputed facts   from diggingdeeper, Oct 6, 2004
  • Re: Undisputed facts   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Undisputed facts   from Snow Miller, Aug 1, 2005
  • Re: Undisputed facts   from Alex, May 14, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from brad schuster, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Brenden, Nov 25, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from John Chiara, Nov 27, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Kappy, Dec 15, 2004
  • Re: What an oafish review   from physics friend, Nov 24, 2004
  • oafish, I think red-neck review is more accurate   from Ricardo Hambina, Apr 24, 2005
  • Re: oafish, I think red-neck review is more accura   from Peace Warrior, Jun 25, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Helen, Jun 12, 2005
  • Re: What an oafish review   from jafagal, Feb 13, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from james carey, Jul 10, 2006
  • Re: What an oafish review   from Ummm....eh, Dec 21, 2006
  • I can't wait to see it!   from Bill, Sep 23, 2004
  • Best movie ever!!   from Sandi, Sep 24, 2004
  • Re: this movie is pseudoscientfic propaganda piece   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • What the Bleep   from sihem, Jun 8, 2006
  • A scientist's review   from LTV, Nov 24, 2004
  • Don't waste your money   from Mike, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from brad schuster, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • » Re: Don't waste your money «   from steph, Nov 25, 2004
  • Re: Don't waste your money   from , Nov 27, 2004
  • Wake Up!   from Steve, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Wake Up!   from bonnie, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Wake Up!   from Ray Van Gelder, Apr 3, 2005
  • Re: Wake Up!   from John Chiara, Apr 3, 2005
  • What the bleep do we know   from Tommie Sue, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: What the bleep do we know   from Bobcham, Nov 24, 2004
  • it's an artistic interpretaion   from joe, Nov 24, 2004
  • People don't Get It!!!!   from John Chiara, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: People don't Get It!!!!   from Linda Paul, Mar 18, 2005
  • Re: People don't Get It!!!!   from John Chiara, Apr 3, 2005
  • bleep   from Belmo, Nov 29, 2004
  • What the Bleep do we Know   from Jean Mather, Dec 9, 2004
  • What the bleep not a good but dont be hating   from jeffrey, Dec 30, 2004
  • Bring it east! I've heard....   from Barbara Flynn, Jan 7, 2005
  • big mistake...   from Kram, Jan 8, 2005
  • Oh, Joy   from Brent Butt, Jan 30, 2005
  • Another cult recruitment film   from Eireann, Jan 31, 2005
  • Re: Another cult recruitment film   from naeemah, Apr 24, 2005
  • [no subject]   from , Feb 14, 2005
  • *Create Your Day* CD - inspired by the Movie   from Laurie Kristensen, Mar 8, 2005
  • what the bleep   from peter roloff, Mar 18, 2005
  • The search for spiritual meaning through science   from Sara Houle, Mar 27, 2005
  • keep hope alive   from Bill Widnall, Apr 29, 2005
  • What the Bleep do you know?   from Leah, May 9, 2005
  • The message behind this film for me   from KarlosJ, May 31, 2005
  • taken in...   from kier, Jun 5, 2005
  • Re: taken in...(above post is excellent)   from jay, Jun 13, 2005
  • Critique could have been better.   from Just Another Primate, Jun 5, 2005
  • For What the bleep Fans   from Glenn Parry, Jun 21, 2005
  • what the bleep...   from david, Jul 5, 2005
  • M theory is indeed magical   from dionysus, Aug 19, 2005
  • Super Bleep   from Omar Arana, Aug 20, 2005
  • Re: Super Bleep   from L Brown, Sep 28, 2005
  • They insist of bullshitting on religion & beliefs   from Lucas Santos, Nov 8, 2005
  • Re: They insist of bullshitting on religion & beliefs   from Franz Fortuny L de M, Dec 7, 2005
  • Miceal Ledwith (aka Micheal Ledwith)   from Ann Cox, Dec 17, 2005
  • Re: Miceal Ledwith (aka Micheal Ledwith)   from rik, Mar 28, 2006
  • I can smell your bleep...   from Miggsy, Dec 24, 2005
  • Never send a monkey to do a mans job   from Jack, Dec 24, 2005
  • What the Bleep Do We Know   from steve, Jan 7, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep Do We Know   from miggsy, Jan 9, 2006
  • Missing the point   from sharpinchicago, Jan 18, 2006
  • What the Bleep Do Any Of You Know??   from JoyousEnergy, Feb 7, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep Do Any Of You Know??   from Marcy, Apr 18, 2006
  • Using Science For Validity   from Elana, Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: Using Science For Validity   from FromFrance, Mar 5, 2006
  • What the Bleep...   from rik, Mar 28, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep...   from From France, Apr 3, 2006
  • Really?   from Ted Bonerz, May 16, 2006
  • What the Bleep   from Mary Maurice, May 22, 2006
  • Re: What the Bleep   from Saddened, Aug 25, 2006
  • Judgement   from g, Jun 26, 2006
  • Re: Judgement   from matrix, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: Judgement   from Nicolas, Oct 11, 2006
  • My Experience   from San Juanita Mejorado, Aug 21, 2006
  • Typical arrogant review   from Ken, Sep 6, 2006
  • Re: Typical arrogant review   from Nicolas, Oct 11, 2006
  • i loved it   from luke, Sep 15, 2006
  • what the fuck do you know   from matthew, Oct 17, 2006
  • what the bleep   from tainoray, Feb 6, 2007
  • Nay sayer!   from Goat, May 24, 2008