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  •  READER COMMENTS

    Reader comments on Hero

    Subject: Re: Hero's Historical Footing - THE PUNCH LINE!
    Date: Nov 24, 2004
    Sender: AdamPrevious | Next

    But, could we construe its message as taking potency if worked in reverse?


    By this, could it not be proposed that in sparing the Emperorâs life and the resultant betrayal and instant death of Nameless, may well find itself dovetailing with the national consciousness of the Chinese people as they remember the savage consequence of NOT using force against force? As a non-Chinese, this isnât for me to say, but the details of both Sima Qianâs history and the events of 1989 are going to be known by the majority of Heroâs audience.

    So then, amid the whirling of it colours and its resonance with the long tradition of martial arts film, perhaps we could ask, Îdoes Hero advance the consequence of social subordinance in a firm enough mannerâ?

    Or was that not the filmâs intention?


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    Response to this comment:
    Hero's Historical Footing

    Film is discourse. It surrounds a view or outlook: presenting, asserting, distorting, undermining, consolidating and hopefully connecting (entertaining) us with it. "Hero' is no different in this regard and it is right that it be critiqued on any political themes / levels that we may be presented through it. When we donât get Îover analytical,â we become anesthetised to messages that divide and begin to exert the power of one group over the interests of all others. This isnât to say that everyone will want to break apart the films they see to discover the inner lines of power and assertion. But nor is it a bad idea for those disposed to such desire.

    Is ÎHeroâ one of these films? Perhaps. Perhaps not.

    Simply, because there seems to be a slightly inappropriate allocation of 'political blame' with some of these comments, which I think have failed to consider the wider 'historical root' that lay at the heart of this film. For it is this root that extends beyond both Zhang Yimou and the Chinese Communist Party's propaganda arm's desire to legitimate its record on Human Rights and political suppression.

    The phrase 'All Under Heaven' is not a creation of this movie, Zhang Yimou or the Communist Party: it was born out of the unifying agenda of the "First Emperor", Qin Shi Huangdi (reign:221bc ö 206bc)

    How do we know this? Well, the great Chinese historian, Sima Qian, recorded it in his important work, Shiji. This work is still, to this day, held in great esteem by the Chinese people. He writes,

    All under heaven are of one mind, single in will.
    Weights and measures have a single standard, words are written in a uniform way·.

    So are we to assume this emperor to have been a benevolent ruler? Sima Qian also notes that:
    But the First Emperor was greedy and short-sighted, confident in his own wisdom, never trusting his meritorious officials, never getting to know his people. He cast aside the kingly Way and relied on private procedures, outlawing books and writings, making the laws and penalties much harsher, putting deceit and force foremost and humanity and righteousness last, leading the whole world in violence and cruelty.

    So, what are the implications of the historical foundation for the much maligned, ãall under heavenâ?

    Well, it is hard to ignore that the failure of Nameless to kill the Emperor would serve as an easy analogy for compliance with the status quo that the CCP has co-opted in its approval of Hero.






    Comment index:

  • Talk about over-analyzing!   from Hiro Protagonist, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Skizz, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Paul, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from saichoun, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from George, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Alex, Sep 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Sep 17, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from NELSON O., Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Oct 24, 2005
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Senkeh, Feb 5, 2006
  • Why I love this film.   from Frank, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Kyle, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Stacey Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from tanner, Dec 17, 2008
  • Hero   from Emily, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Videobrit, Sep 9, 2004
  • Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from James, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 27, 2004
  • DVD 'Versions' of Hero in Australia.   from Adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • I think you got the wrong message   from Jonathan, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from Gordon, Feb 11, 2005
  • hero and the USA   from az886592, Aug 26, 2004
  • "The weather is fine!"   from CS, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Frank, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from skwu, Aug 27, 2004
  • Not quite   from Victoria, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from bonnie, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from matt, Aug 30, 2004
  • Historical????   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Valid critique of politics but...   from indra, Aug 26, 2004
  • Unprofessional   from bobby, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Anon, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from hobb, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Cloud, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Sean, Aug 30, 2004
  • truth   from What's American, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: truth   from another american, Jan 1, 2005
  • Re: truth   from adude, Nov 6, 2005
  • How come everyone else says its good?   from Rob D, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • Instant loss of argument via Godwins Law   from MortalWombat, Oct 4, 2004
  • Re: "everyone else" does not   from Paul, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Pathetic...   from Bite My Ass, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Pathetic...   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • [no subject]   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • What in the world are you talking about??   from Ken Glover, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: What in the world are you talking about??   from jim li, Aug 27, 2004
  • Which is more humorless the movie or the review   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Hero   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • From a more literal standpoint   from Moron, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from George, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from Alex, Aug 30, 2004
  • Trying to be reasonable   from diagram, Aug 27, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Your Stupid, Aug 28, 2004
  • I agree - this is a nationalist film   from lmw, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: I agree - this is a nationalist film   from Worgelm, Aug 30, 2004
  • thanks   from barb, Aug 28, 2004
  • U can make up stories but you can't change history   from Clairvoyant Gay, Aug 30, 2004
  • Birth of a Nation   from Songwon, Aug 30, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Jo, Aug 30, 2004
  • Joshua is Absolutely Right   from Byron, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Joshua is Absolutely Right   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Passerby, Aug 30, 2004
  • the meaning in my opinion   from someone, Aug 30, 2004
  • I agree with the review   from Sergei, Aug 31, 2004
  • Think about it, Americans !   from Hong Kong Clairvoyant, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from matt, Aug 31, 2004
  • Communist Party's views on the Qin Emporer   from katharsis83, Aug 31, 2004
  • I totally agree proto-facist   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: I totally agree proto-facist   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Joshua's view is not alone in his insight   from Shawn, Sep 2, 2004
  • United on earth   from Fred, Sep 2, 2004
  • Peace and happiness for who?   from jake, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: United on earth   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • I left the theater   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I left the theater   from John, Sep 9, 2004
  • I just saw the movie   from Edwin, Sep 6, 2004
  • "Independence Day" was more offensive   from Joce, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: 'Independance Day' was more offensive   from war bastard, Apr 14, 2005
  • Re:review   from JoeSchmo, Sep 7, 2004
  • Truth and fiction of Chinese history.   from Noname, Sep 8, 2004
  • Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!   from Alfred, Sep 9, 2004
  • [no subject]   from John Lee, Sep 9, 2004
  • You hit the nail on the head   from lotus, Sep 10, 2004
  • Awesome   from Dan Omlor, Sep 13, 2004
  • Reviewer is right, finally!   from Willy Beamish, Sep 14, 2004
  • Compared to 1984   from None, Sep 15, 2004
  • About Hero....   from Tula, Sep 15, 2004
  • To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • Re: To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • A tragic hero for the common good   from Menard, Sep 21, 2004
  • review = wrong   from jon v, Sep 22, 2004
  • Re: review = wrong   from Mess, Sep 25, 2004
  • One more comment   from Tom, Nov 24, 2004
  • Hero's Historical Footing   from adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • » Re: Hero's Historical Footing - THE PUNCH LINE! «   from Adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Communist Justification?   from michael, Nov 24, 2004
  • "Hero" is just vile   from Tim Toldrum, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Charlie, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from ET, Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: "Hero" is just vile   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • THANK YOU!   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • But "Hero" is a CRITICISM of the Chinese gov't!!!   from NamelessObserver, Dec 15, 2004
  • Re: But   from skeptikos, Dec 26, 2004
  • Wrong Analyzation   from Ender, Jan 14, 2005
  • Supposed to be...?   from NineTailedFox, Jan 22, 2005
  • HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 24, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 28, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from Jerry Miller, Aug 23, 2010
  • forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from wen, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from Preb, Jan 24, 2005
  • hero   from tso t'an, Feb 21, 2005
  • Re: hero   from Joe Bleaux, Mar 12, 2005
  • Greek to me   from BrokenWord, Mar 15, 2005
  • A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Robin, Jul 25, 2005
  • Re: A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Wallby, Aug 7, 2005
  • Critics that are lost???   from , Aug 26, 2005
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Erin O'Connell, Jan 17, 2006
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from brian, Dec 22, 2007
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Gil Barrett, May 31, 2009
  • propaganda for a new millenium   from sperlicha, Sep 25, 2005
  • PERFECT review   from Tyler, Oct 31, 2005
  • ask   from mujahid, Mar 31, 2006
  • Re: ask   from Bubba Hotep, Apr 11, 2006
  • IRRELEVANT   from Magda Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • ???   from Kessel, Nov 4, 2007
  • Die westeners!   from Xiao Chen, Aug 17, 2009
  • Re: Die westeners!   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Bravo   from tsering, May 29, 2010
  • Talk about over-analyzing!   from Hiro Protagonist, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Skizz, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Paul, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from saichoun, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from George, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Alex, Sep 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Sep 17, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from NELSON O., Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Oct 24, 2005
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Senkeh, Feb 5, 2006
  • Why I love this film.   from Frank, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Kyle, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Stacey Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from tanner, Dec 17, 2008
  • Hero   from Emily, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Videobrit, Sep 9, 2004
  • Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from James, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 27, 2004
  • DVD 'Versions' of Hero in Australia.   from Adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • I think you got the wrong message   from Jonathan, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from Gordon, Feb 11, 2005
  • hero and the USA   from az886592, Aug 26, 2004
  • "The weather is fine!"   from CS, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Frank, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from skwu, Aug 27, 2004
  • Not quite   from Victoria, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from bonnie, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from matt, Aug 30, 2004
  • Historical????   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Valid critique of politics but...   from indra, Aug 26, 2004
  • Unprofessional   from bobby, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Anon, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from hobb, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Cloud, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Sean, Aug 30, 2004
  • truth   from What's American, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: truth   from another american, Jan 1, 2005
  • Re: truth   from adude, Nov 6, 2005
  • How come everyone else says its good?   from Rob D, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • Instant loss of argument via Godwins Law   from MortalWombat, Oct 4, 2004
  • Re: "everyone else" does not   from Paul, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Pathetic...   from Bite My Ass, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Pathetic...   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • [no subject]   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • What in the world are you talking about??   from Ken Glover, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: What in the world are you talking about??   from jim li, Aug 27, 2004
  • Which is more humorless the movie or the review   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Hero   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • From a more literal standpoint   from Moron, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from George, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from Alex, Aug 30, 2004
  • Trying to be reasonable   from diagram, Aug 27, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Your Stupid, Aug 28, 2004
  • I agree - this is a nationalist film   from lmw, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: I agree - this is a nationalist film   from Worgelm, Aug 30, 2004
  • thanks   from barb, Aug 28, 2004
  • U can make up stories but you can't change history   from Clairvoyant Gay, Aug 30, 2004
  • Birth of a Nation   from Songwon, Aug 30, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Jo, Aug 30, 2004
  • Joshua is Absolutely Right   from Byron, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Joshua is Absolutely Right   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Passerby, Aug 30, 2004
  • the meaning in my opinion   from someone, Aug 30, 2004
  • I agree with the review   from Sergei, Aug 31, 2004
  • Think about it, Americans !   from Hong Kong Clairvoyant, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from matt, Aug 31, 2004
  • Communist Party's views on the Qin Emporer   from katharsis83, Aug 31, 2004
  • I totally agree proto-facist   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: I totally agree proto-facist   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Joshua's view is not alone in his insight   from Shawn, Sep 2, 2004
  • United on earth   from Fred, Sep 2, 2004
  • Peace and happiness for who?   from jake, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: United on earth   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • I left the theater   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I left the theater   from John, Sep 9, 2004
  • I just saw the movie   from Edwin, Sep 6, 2004
  • "Independence Day" was more offensive   from Joce, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: 'Independance Day' was more offensive   from war bastard, Apr 14, 2005
  • Re:review   from JoeSchmo, Sep 7, 2004
  • Truth and fiction of Chinese history.   from Noname, Sep 8, 2004
  • Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!   from Alfred, Sep 9, 2004
  • [no subject]   from John Lee, Sep 9, 2004
  • You hit the nail on the head   from lotus, Sep 10, 2004
  • Awesome   from Dan Omlor, Sep 13, 2004
  • Reviewer is right, finally!   from Willy Beamish, Sep 14, 2004
  • Compared to 1984   from None, Sep 15, 2004
  • About Hero....   from Tula, Sep 15, 2004
  • To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • Re: To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • A tragic hero for the common good   from Menard, Sep 21, 2004
  • review = wrong   from jon v, Sep 22, 2004
  • Re: review = wrong   from Mess, Sep 25, 2004
  • One more comment   from Tom, Nov 24, 2004
  • Hero's Historical Footing   from adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • » Re: Hero's Historical Footing - THE PUNCH LINE! «   from Adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Communist Justification?   from michael, Nov 24, 2004
  • "Hero" is just vile   from Tim Toldrum, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Charlie, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from ET, Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: "Hero" is just vile   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • THANK YOU!   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • But "Hero" is a CRITICISM of the Chinese gov't!!!   from NamelessObserver, Dec 15, 2004
  • Re: But   from skeptikos, Dec 26, 2004
  • Wrong Analyzation   from Ender, Jan 14, 2005
  • Supposed to be...?   from NineTailedFox, Jan 22, 2005
  • HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 24, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 28, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from Jerry Miller, Aug 23, 2010
  • forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from wen, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from Preb, Jan 24, 2005
  • hero   from tso t'an, Feb 21, 2005
  • Re: hero   from Joe Bleaux, Mar 12, 2005
  • Greek to me   from BrokenWord, Mar 15, 2005
  • A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Robin, Jul 25, 2005
  • Re: A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Wallby, Aug 7, 2005
  • Critics that are lost???   from , Aug 26, 2005
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Erin O'Connell, Jan 17, 2006
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from brian, Dec 22, 2007
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Gil Barrett, May 31, 2009
  • propaganda for a new millenium   from sperlicha, Sep 25, 2005
  • PERFECT review   from Tyler, Oct 31, 2005
  • ask   from mujahid, Mar 31, 2006
  • Re: ask   from Bubba Hotep, Apr 11, 2006
  • IRRELEVANT   from Magda Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • ???   from Kessel, Nov 4, 2007
  • Die westeners!   from Xiao Chen, Aug 17, 2009
  • Re: Die westeners!   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Bravo   from tsering, May 29, 2010