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    Reader comments on Hero

    Subject: Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it
    Date: Aug 28, 2004
    Sender: jyipdragonPrevious | Next

    Well ... being someone that was born in China and raised in China and also other parts of the world ... but not in USA. I totally disagree with your view.

    To say that Chinese people don't care how ruthless their dictator is in getting into power but as long as he rules well ... is simply wrong.

    The truth is, Chinese people don't care about politics as long as politics leaves people alone.

    One has to wonder about the storyline though, this movie was funded by the Chinese government, the director was picked by the Chinese government. I am not aware of who decided on the story or the ploy, so I can't comment on that.

    The intent of this movie is to defeat Couching Tiger at the box office and at the Oscars. In my opinion, neither of these objectives were achieved.

    Did you know that many of China's population have never seen Couching Tiger? But they will all tell you that surely, Hero is a superior film.



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    Joshua tried but he still does not get it

    It is true that on the surface, HERO seems propaganda for Red China. But one key concept voids this arguement. I will give Joshua handicap in this matter as he is not a Chinese raised in Chinese Asia.
    Non-Western educated people do not think of dictatorship as Western educated people do. Remember, for thousands of years, Chinese have looked up to their leaders to guide them. From dynasty to dynasty, when the dictator/emperor/king became out of control, a revolt, led by a no name farmer/whatever with the support of the people will rsult in the no name farmerbecoming the first emperor of a new dynasty. It is arrogant for Westerners to want to impose their political system and beliefs on non-Westerners and/or their artform which is generated from non-western beliefs. Also, it is arrogant for Westerners to believe that if others do not think as they do, they are inferior. Of course, We who live here in this "free" country, may feel we are more enlightened and superior than the others...nonetheless, have we ever ponder for a moment, does the rest of the people in the non-western world care about what we think?
    One of the real message of this film is not much "leave us along". Rather, it is, "We don't care what you think of us and we don't want what you have. Then leave us along. Mind your own business and we will mind our own business." When you look at the political implication of this film...do not look at what history says about the First Emperor. Rather, look at the intention of the First Emperor and the approval of his intention by the Chinese tradition. For Chinese, if the First Emperor did what he did and managed China properly subsequently, he would have been recorded as a glorious ruler of a long lasting dynasty. Of course, he did managed poorly and was considered by Chinese historians a "despot". Remember, every "first" ruler of a new dynasty fought against the government and killed off the left over from the last dynasty. Chinese do not care what and how it takes for the rulers to get to the position of power. Rather, it is in how the ruler takes care of the people after he obtains power that matters. And it is in this intention/message of the film, where Westerners viewing this film can come to understand why Chinese were/are the way they were/are.
    It is not easy for non-Westerners to deem the concept, "the needs of the many out weight the needs of a few." NON-EVIL. As this violates the fundamental ideas of what Americans believe. And most Americans see the world only in black and white. I see no problem with that. However, to tie the ideas suggested in this film with Birth of a Nation and Triumph of the Will may be too far fretched. Here the film maker is trying to speak of the true essence of what makes a Chinese Chinese. While these other films are suggesting variant political systems that lurk within the Western/Christian belief system and approving them. HERO is about what is China and what is Chinese; not about "Western" style conquer and exploit and using some form of justifcation to make it good/Christian.

    When you watch this film, realize that the various characters represent various opinions Chinese people have regarding the Chinese system. The sum of it all is Jet Li's character representing the heart, intellect and the soul. NoName questions the worthiness of the Chinese leadership. As you can see, the Chinese people/Nameless/Jet Li, has no problem with the fact that the Frist Emperor is a dictator who used ruthless methods to achieve his place, rather, the Chinese people is concern with whether the First Emperor "will" be a "good" dictator for the people. And when No Name felt this dictator understood what it may to be the ruler of the contry..its huge responsibilites, No Name was willing to do whatever it takes to make sure the "governing" will be done.
    This is the fundatmental difference between the Oriental political system and Western system. Mindboggling if you would, or as the Reviewer called it "evil." But I believe one should not discredit the film because it reveals to us a different system of beliefs.

    There was a recent quote by the Director saying that now that he thought of it, he used the wrong emperor for what he wanted to say. Because every first emperor did exactly the same thing...it is just that this First Emperor did not govern wisely while others did. Thus this fact has caused distraction to what the Director was really trying to get across...which is Chinese believes in (or used to believe in) the needs of the few is not as important as the needs of the many.






    Comment index:

  • Talk about over-analyzing!   from Hiro Protagonist, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Skizz, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Paul, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from saichoun, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from George, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Alex, Sep 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Sep 17, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from NELSON O., Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Oct 24, 2005
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Senkeh, Feb 5, 2006
  • Why I love this film.   from Frank, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Kyle, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Stacey Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from tanner, Dec 17, 2008
  • Hero   from Emily, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Videobrit, Sep 9, 2004
  • Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from James, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 27, 2004
  • DVD 'Versions' of Hero in Australia.   from Adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • I think you got the wrong message   from Jonathan, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • » Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it «   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from Gordon, Feb 11, 2005
  • hero and the USA   from az886592, Aug 26, 2004
  • "The weather is fine!"   from CS, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Frank, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from skwu, Aug 27, 2004
  • Not quite   from Victoria, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from bonnie, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from matt, Aug 30, 2004
  • Historical????   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Valid critique of politics but...   from indra, Aug 26, 2004
  • Unprofessional   from bobby, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Anon, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from hobb, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Cloud, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Sean, Aug 30, 2004
  • truth   from What's American, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: truth   from another american, Jan 1, 2005
  • Re: truth   from adude, Nov 6, 2005
  • How come everyone else says its good?   from Rob D, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • Instant loss of argument via Godwins Law   from MortalWombat, Oct 4, 2004
  • Re: "everyone else" does not   from Paul, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Pathetic...   from Bite My Ass, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Pathetic...   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • [no subject]   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • What in the world are you talking about??   from Ken Glover, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: What in the world are you talking about??   from jim li, Aug 27, 2004
  • Which is more humorless the movie or the review   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Hero   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • From a more literal standpoint   from Moron, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from George, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from Alex, Aug 30, 2004
  • Trying to be reasonable   from diagram, Aug 27, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Your Stupid, Aug 28, 2004
  • I agree - this is a nationalist film   from lmw, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: I agree - this is a nationalist film   from Worgelm, Aug 30, 2004
  • thanks   from barb, Aug 28, 2004
  • U can make up stories but you can't change history   from Clairvoyant Gay, Aug 30, 2004
  • Birth of a Nation   from Songwon, Aug 30, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Jo, Aug 30, 2004
  • Joshua is Absolutely Right   from Byron, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Joshua is Absolutely Right   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Passerby, Aug 30, 2004
  • the meaning in my opinion   from someone, Aug 30, 2004
  • I agree with the review   from Sergei, Aug 31, 2004
  • Think about it, Americans !   from Hong Kong Clairvoyant, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from matt, Aug 31, 2004
  • Communist Party's views on the Qin Emporer   from katharsis83, Aug 31, 2004
  • I totally agree proto-facist   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: I totally agree proto-facist   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Joshua's view is not alone in his insight   from Shawn, Sep 2, 2004
  • United on earth   from Fred, Sep 2, 2004
  • Peace and happiness for who?   from jake, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: United on earth   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • I left the theater   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I left the theater   from John, Sep 9, 2004
  • I just saw the movie   from Edwin, Sep 6, 2004
  • "Independence Day" was more offensive   from Joce, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: 'Independance Day' was more offensive   from war bastard, Apr 14, 2005
  • Re:review   from JoeSchmo, Sep 7, 2004
  • Truth and fiction of Chinese history.   from Noname, Sep 8, 2004
  • Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!   from Alfred, Sep 9, 2004
  • [no subject]   from John Lee, Sep 9, 2004
  • You hit the nail on the head   from lotus, Sep 10, 2004
  • Awesome   from Dan Omlor, Sep 13, 2004
  • Reviewer is right, finally!   from Willy Beamish, Sep 14, 2004
  • Compared to 1984   from None, Sep 15, 2004
  • About Hero....   from Tula, Sep 15, 2004
  • To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • Re: To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • A tragic hero for the common good   from Menard, Sep 21, 2004
  • review = wrong   from jon v, Sep 22, 2004
  • Re: review = wrong   from Mess, Sep 25, 2004
  • One more comment   from Tom, Nov 24, 2004
  • Hero's Historical Footing   from adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Communist Justification?   from michael, Nov 24, 2004
  • "Hero" is just vile   from Tim Toldrum, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Charlie, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from ET, Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: "Hero" is just vile   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • THANK YOU!   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • But "Hero" is a CRITICISM of the Chinese gov't!!!   from NamelessObserver, Dec 15, 2004
  • Re: But   from skeptikos, Dec 26, 2004
  • Wrong Analyzation   from Ender, Jan 14, 2005
  • Supposed to be...?   from NineTailedFox, Jan 22, 2005
  • HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 24, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 28, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from Jerry Miller, Aug 23, 2010
  • forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from wen, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from Preb, Jan 24, 2005
  • hero   from tso t'an, Feb 21, 2005
  • Re: hero   from Joe Bleaux, Mar 12, 2005
  • Greek to me   from BrokenWord, Mar 15, 2005
  • A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Robin, Jul 25, 2005
  • Re: A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Wallby, Aug 7, 2005
  • Critics that are lost???   from , Aug 26, 2005
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Erin O'Connell, Jan 17, 2006
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from brian, Dec 22, 2007
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Gil Barrett, May 31, 2009
  • propaganda for a new millenium   from sperlicha, Sep 25, 2005
  • PERFECT review   from Tyler, Oct 31, 2005
  • ask   from mujahid, Mar 31, 2006
  • Re: ask   from Bubba Hotep, Apr 11, 2006
  • IRRELEVANT   from Magda Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • ???   from Kessel, Nov 4, 2007
  • Die westeners!   from Xiao Chen, Aug 17, 2009
  • Re: Die westeners!   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Bravo   from tsering, May 29, 2010
  • Talk about over-analyzing!   from Hiro Protagonist, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Skizz, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Paul, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from saichoun, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from George, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Alex, Sep 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Sep 17, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from NELSON O., Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Charlie, Oct 24, 2005
  • Re: Talk about over-analyzing!   from Senkeh, Feb 5, 2006
  • Why I love this film.   from Frank, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Kyle, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from Stacey Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Why I love this film.   from tanner, Dec 17, 2008
  • Hero   from Emily, Aug 25, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Jimbo, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: Hero   from Videobrit, Sep 9, 2004
  • Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from James, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from jyipdragon, Aug 27, 2004
  • DVD 'Versions' of Hero in Australia.   from Adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 14, 2008
  • Re: Remember that Mirimax shortened the movie   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • I think you got the wrong message   from Jonathan, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I think you got the wrong message   from mhar, Nov 24, 2004
  • Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • » Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it «   from jyipdragon, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Joshua tried but he still does not get it   from Gordon, Feb 11, 2005
  • hero and the USA   from az886592, Aug 26, 2004
  • "The weather is fine!"   from CS, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Frank, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from skwu, Aug 27, 2004
  • Not quite   from Victoria, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from bonnie, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Not quite (actually close)   from matt, Aug 30, 2004
  • Historical????   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Valid critique of politics but...   from indra, Aug 26, 2004
  • Unprofessional   from bobby, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from No Name really, Aug 26, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Anon, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from hobb, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Cloud, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Unprofessional   from Sean, Aug 30, 2004
  • truth   from What's American, Sep 7, 2004
  • Re: truth   from another american, Jan 1, 2005
  • Re: truth   from adude, Nov 6, 2005
  • How come everyone else says its good?   from Rob D, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Pete, Aug 29, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • Instant loss of argument via Godwins Law   from MortalWombat, Oct 4, 2004
  • Re: "everyone else" does not   from Paul, Aug 31, 2004
  • Re: How come everyone else says its good?   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • Pathetic...   from Bite My Ass, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: Pathetic...   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • [no subject]   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • What in the world are you talking about??   from Ken Glover, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: What in the world are you talking about??   from jim li, Aug 27, 2004
  • Which is more humorless the movie or the review   from Terrence, Aug 27, 2004
  • Hero   from , Aug 27, 2004
  • From a more literal standpoint   from Moron, Aug 27, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from George, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: From a more literal standpoint   from Alex, Aug 30, 2004
  • Trying to be reasonable   from diagram, Aug 27, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Your Stupid, Aug 28, 2004
  • I agree - this is a nationalist film   from lmw, Aug 28, 2004
  • Re: I agree - this is a nationalist film   from Worgelm, Aug 30, 2004
  • thanks   from barb, Aug 28, 2004
  • U can make up stories but you can't change history   from Clairvoyant Gay, Aug 30, 2004
  • Birth of a Nation   from Songwon, Aug 30, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Jo, Aug 30, 2004
  • Joshua is Absolutely Right   from Byron, Aug 30, 2004
  • Re: Joshua is Absolutely Right   from okidoki, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from Passerby, Aug 30, 2004
  • the meaning in my opinion   from someone, Aug 30, 2004
  • I agree with the review   from Sergei, Aug 31, 2004
  • Think about it, Americans !   from Hong Kong Clairvoyant, Aug 31, 2004
  • [no subject]   from matt, Aug 31, 2004
  • Communist Party's views on the Qin Emporer   from katharsis83, Aug 31, 2004
  • I totally agree proto-facist   from jake, Sep 2, 2004
  • Re: I totally agree proto-facist   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Joshua's view is not alone in his insight   from Shawn, Sep 2, 2004
  • United on earth   from Fred, Sep 2, 2004
  • Peace and happiness for who?   from jake, Sep 3, 2004
  • Re: United on earth   from Shawn, Sep 3, 2004
  • I left the theater   from Henry, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: I left the theater   from John, Sep 9, 2004
  • I just saw the movie   from Edwin, Sep 6, 2004
  • "Independence Day" was more offensive   from Joce, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: 'Independance Day' was more offensive   from war bastard, Apr 14, 2005
  • Re:review   from JoeSchmo, Sep 7, 2004
  • Truth and fiction of Chinese history.   from Noname, Sep 8, 2004
  • Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!   from Alfred, Sep 9, 2004
  • [no subject]   from John Lee, Sep 9, 2004
  • You hit the nail on the head   from lotus, Sep 10, 2004
  • Awesome   from Dan Omlor, Sep 13, 2004
  • Reviewer is right, finally!   from Willy Beamish, Sep 14, 2004
  • Compared to 1984   from None, Sep 15, 2004
  • About Hero....   from Tula, Sep 15, 2004
  • To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • Re: To each his own   from cj, Sep 18, 2004
  • A tragic hero for the common good   from Menard, Sep 21, 2004
  • review = wrong   from jon v, Sep 22, 2004
  • Re: review = wrong   from Mess, Sep 25, 2004
  • One more comment   from Tom, Nov 24, 2004
  • Hero's Historical Footing   from adam, Nov 24, 2004
  • Communist Justification?   from michael, Nov 24, 2004
  • "Hero" is just vile   from Tim Toldrum, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from Charlie, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: [no subject]   from ET, Dec 10, 2004
  • Re: "Hero" is just vile   from chris , Dec 17, 2008
  • THANK YOU!   from I ain't Eddy, Nov 24, 2004
  • But "Hero" is a CRITICISM of the Chinese gov't!!!   from NamelessObserver, Dec 15, 2004
  • Re: But   from skeptikos, Dec 26, 2004
  • Wrong Analyzation   from Ender, Jan 14, 2005
  • Supposed to be...?   from NineTailedFox, Jan 22, 2005
  • HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 24, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from chinese dissidents, Jan 28, 2005
  • Re: HERO is an elegy, with profound politics   from Jerry Miller, Aug 23, 2010
  • forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from wen, Jan 23, 2005
  • Re: forgot to comment on Joshua's review   from Preb, Jan 24, 2005
  • hero   from tso t'an, Feb 21, 2005
  • Re: hero   from Joe Bleaux, Mar 12, 2005
  • Greek to me   from BrokenWord, Mar 15, 2005
  • A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Robin, Jul 25, 2005
  • Re: A wonderful film - NOT political !   from Wallby, Aug 7, 2005
  • Critics that are lost???   from , Aug 26, 2005
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Erin O'Connell, Jan 17, 2006
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from brian, Dec 22, 2007
  • Re: Critics that are lost???   from Gil Barrett, May 31, 2009
  • propaganda for a new millenium   from sperlicha, Sep 25, 2005
  • PERFECT review   from Tyler, Oct 31, 2005
  • ask   from mujahid, Mar 31, 2006
  • Re: ask   from Bubba Hotep, Apr 11, 2006
  • IRRELEVANT   from Magda Ryley, Oct 9, 2006
  • ???   from Kessel, Nov 4, 2007
  • Die westeners!   from Xiao Chen, Aug 17, 2009
  • Re: Die westeners!   from Poirrot, Apr 13, 2010
  • Bravo   from tsering, May 29, 2010