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Subject: Re: The real truth about ... Andy
Date: Jul 28, 2004
First of all, please do read all the net links I am going to present, they are immensely important to understand the arguments, and they are not Serbian sources.
The real truth is that the wars in Yugoslavia were partially caused as well by all three factions, but mostly it was Germany and the US.
Tito wad responsible as well because he made Avnoj borders if it was not for them, no area could have been cut off or independent.
The Western media ostracised the Serbs mostly, but other two sides were equally animalistic, killing, torturing, etc.
Milosevic, Tudjman and Izebetgovic, all wanted greater version of their respective countries.
No one mentioned the biggest ethnic cleansing of Croatian Serbs in 1995, while Kosovo thing was staged by the US to get Trepca mines and strategic land. Bosnia, also witnessed some of the worst ethnic cleansing, done by the Croats and Bosnian Muslims, and other way round.
Albanians in Kosovo had all the rights, the Serbs were persecuted there for years, read Francisco Gill White(Psychology assistent professor from the US) page: "The Serbs Were Not Oppressing the Kosovo Albanians...
Quite the opposite"
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Germany helped Croatia to gain unlawful independence, and US ambassador Warren Zimmerman told Alija Izetbegovic to pull out of Lisboa Accord. Later on, the Serbs messed up with Srebrenica, they did kill a lot od people there, but beforehand the Bosnian Muslims, led by Naser Oric, organized break ins into nearby Serbian villages, killing loads of Serbs, action-reaction thingy. Croats did loads of bad things in Bosnia, and in Croatia after Krajina fell, they massacred loads of old people who stayed in their houses. Croatian biggest star Thompson sings about ustashe movement that massacred the Serbs in II war.
Do not call the Serbs fascists, they stood up twice against fascism, the reason some Serbs do not like the Jews is that Madaleine Olbright(Rubin, and other Jews in Clinton adin) was a child Jew saved by the Serbs in II war, and she bombed Serbian, causing enormous depleted uranium caused damage, and poisoning the Adriatic as well. not just Serbia, the whole of the Balkans is poisoned.
The Serbs in Croatia lived there for centuries, no one planted them there, there are monasteries that exist there from 12th and 14 th centuries.
Croats did horrible things in II war, they killed 700, 000 Serba, Jews and Gipsies. The biggest their problem was the Serbian nationalism, and a tendency to mythologise the past, Kosobo battle, folk heroes, heavenly nation, but all the three sides play on victim mode, they are all the same.
The Croatian COnstitution kicked out Serbs in 1990, so they became second class citizens, the y burned Serbian shops first in Zadar 1991, sacked the Serbs from work, and at the time, Croatia did not exist as a country, later on Serbs fucked up by other things, when Drnis town fell, it was destroyed and burgled, so you can see. Croatia had a fascist past, II war some of the most horrific murders were done at Jasenovav, Eleonor Roosevelt called ustashi animals.
Read on the net web page of former Canadian Ambassador in Yugoslavi, how western powers caused problems, Vatican, Germany, US, UK, with the little help of Balkan tribes:
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Bosnia was owned by the Serbs legally 60% before the war. The war was started by Alija, when he rejected the peace agreement, and later on is the war, and Serbs went crazy, because all the world was against them, ther went ot, but its the Balkans, wild and f...d up...not just one side is guilty
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Andy,
You talk about anti-Semitism!!! The most anti-Semitic people in the Balkans are the Serbs. The public opinion there is convinced that Israel is after every "international plot against Serbia".
Three are the forces that haunt the sick minds there: US, Israel and Vatican!!! Every Serb will tell you that. At least every Serb that I have met has told me that. This is not under the table, this is open, in public, in the media...
Therefore, an untold, strange alliance exist between Serbia and the anti-American forces in the Muslim world. This explains also the decade-long close relations between Serbia and Iraq.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Ben Laden in the Balkans probably is more secure in Serbia then elsewhere. By this, I am not implying that the Serbian people supports terrorism but I've seen many shameless smiles after 11 September. For some it felt like their revenge too.
On the other hand the Albanians are not anti-Semitic. Your relentless drive to find contradictions in the US foreign policy makes you overlook some facts.
During WWII, not even one Jew was captured by the Nazi occupiers in Albania. The people hided them in their homes. This was in stark difference from the neighbor countries, including Greece and Serbia, were the Jews were massively captured and send to the death camps. Many snitched by the locals. There are books about these events and I can send you the titles if you are interested. The Albanians are Muslims but they have failed to join their co-religionists in the hate against the Jews. When the US intervened in Kosovo, many Jews in US who had survived WWII grace to Albanians spoke up and told their mainly unknown stories. This made many humanitarian foundations to intervene with help for the displaced population of Kosovo.
I am talking about the time when the Serbian army and police (or as you named them "the good people" in the Balkans that the US wrongfully bombed) were busy expelling from their homes more than one million of people, only because they were Albanians.
This displacement similar by dimensions only to those done by the Nazis doesn't seem to touch you as much as the exodus of the Serbs from Slavonia. I guess this happens because US stood in the "so-called Croatian/Albanian side". Otherwise you would have jumped on the other camp. Because you are the only one who is not deceived by the CNN type media. You the super-smart who measures the tragedies of the people by the position of the US foreign policy toward them.
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Jabbe from strenglepore, Nov 25, 2004
hurt from Shelby, Jan 10, 2005
hurt from mk, Jan 10, 2005
Truth from Atheist, Oct 18, 2005
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OML!!!!! from Ashtin Ewing, Feb 17, 2006
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GROSS! from emelia, Mar 21, 2008
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