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    Reader comments on Elephant

    Subject: You can't do the impossible.
    Date: Mar 28, 2004
    Sender: FortunePrevious | Next

    For being one of this yearâs supposed ătop films,ä Elephant does a shockingly horrible job of depicting anything more than a bunch of stereotypical high schoolers being shot up by some neglected, picked on, deranged psychopaths who happen to be gay as well. Were this film to be made before any school shootings had actually occurred, it would have been disturbing. Because the Columbine School Shooting is anything but fiction, the only disturbing thing is that Gus Van Santâs attempt at a movie is so disgustingly full of ridiculously simple implications regarding the reasons behind the shooting. According to this film, FOUR THINGS are the sole cause of the shootings. ONE, jocks threw food (or whatever it was) at one of the shooters, and made fun of him at the same time. TWO, one of the shooters played a computer game involving the absolute pointless killing of random people. THREE, they watched random clips about Nazi Germany and Hitler. FOUR, they could buy guns over the Internet· And because one of the kids got frustrated playing Beethovenâs Moonlight Sonata. Oh, and maybe because they were gay, too. You know, cause there arenât many other repressed gay high schoolers out there. And because thereâs just loads of evidence supporting the claim that the shooters were actually gay as well. I mean, wouldnât you think two kids painting their nails black to match their leather coats constitutes gay love? Perfectly logical.
    Because all five of these claims as ludicrous as they are clichŽ, it is not necessary to waste many words on them. But just in case you disagree, I will anyway.
    Many kids are made fun of, thrown food at, and oftentimes worse. This does not drive them to shoot their classmates (while deriving great pleasure out of it at the same time). Does this mean they donât think about beating them up? Obviously not. However, shooting and killing is quite another matter.
    Many kids play violent, first-person computer games. Besides the fact that literally no professionally made and advertised computer game advocates the purposeful killing of peaceful people walking around against some white background, the only possible implication the shot in the movie has is that the shooters liked the idea of shooting random people they didnât know. The idea has come up that maybe the shooters created the ăkill game.ä This idea comes from people who desperately want to believe that the movie had an impact on them because of more than the images of high school kids being shot. If it was actually the intention of Van Sant that the program be home-made, there would have been some sort of event that implied, if not proved, this. There is, however, no mention of the shooters being interested in computer programming, or that they have any interest in computers at all (besides using them to order guns and shoot fake people, of course). The most probable reason for the look of the ăkill gameä is that the director realized he would be sued for showing any sort of game that the shooters might have actually played (Counterstrike being the obvious example) and told some programmer to sit down and make the simplest shoot-emâ up game imaginable. As a matter of fact, it is impossible to suppose that this did not cross Van Santâs mind, seeing as he WOULD be sued for showing an actual game because of the obvious implication that the game is part of the reason these kids went rampant. And again, if all kids who played violent computer games and had access to guns jumped at the chance to mow down as many schoolmates and teachers as possible, there might be some good reason for this. But this is not the case. And there is no GOOD reason for the implication.
    Not many kids watch random clips about Nazi Germany and Hitler. At least out of school. The fact that the shooters do accomplishes but one thing: to make the majority of viewers think, ăOh, those crazy *expletive*s, theyâre just like those Naziâs.ä Although there is evidence (the diary of one of the shooterâs) that they probably related to the amount of hate vested in the fundamental beliefs of the Nazi Party, there is no evidence that the beliefs themselves (regarding one race as better than the other and that the others should therefore die or serve those who are better) had anything to do with their reasoning. The film, however, simply ignores that fact, thereby inviting viewers to make the conclusion that they were probably ăNaziâsä themselves. Oh good, now we know theyâre the bad guys, cause anything Nazi-related means bad, bad, bad. The fact that, shortly thereafter, a gun is delivered to their door (bad, bad, bad), only strengthens this politically-conditioned response.
    Not many kids buy guns over the Internet. It is, however, more possible than many would agree is safe. That being said, just because it is possible, doesnât mean it is the cause of school shootings. It is easy to say, ăif these kids couldnât have gotten their hands o

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  • Elephant and that t-shirt   from j.price, Nov 14, 2003
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  • looks really good &Eric Deulenis hot:)   from kami, Nov 19, 2003
  • HOT HOT AND MORE HOTTIE-HOTNESS   from EMIKO & surya, Nov 19, 2003
  • john Robinson a very good actor!!!   from mathilde, Nov 21, 2003
  • Re: john Robinson a very good actor!!!   from LAURE, Nov 27, 2003
  • jooooooooooooooooooooooooooohn!!   from morgane, Nov 25, 2004
  • Re: jooooooooooooooooooooooooooohn!!   from hihi, Nov 15, 2005
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  • Re: john with his T-shirt   from Tim, Apr 3, 2005
  • Why " Elephant"?   from Monica, Nov 30, 2003
  • Re: Why   from manos, Dec 11, 2003
  • Re: Why   from ryan, Dec 14, 2003
  • REAL REASON BEHIND TITLE   from Alex, Nov 24, 2004
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  • Re: Why   from Tai, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Why   from , Dec 20, 2003
  • Re: Why   from Anne, Jan 14, 2004
  • Re: Why   from ilene, May 28, 2004
  • <~~MY VIEWS ON ELEPHANT~~>   from >>>>AMI>>>, Sep 17, 2004
  • Re: Why   from Kyle, Jan 8, 2004
  • Re: Why   from , Jan 24, 2005
  • eric deulen   from , Dec 3, 2003
  • Re: eric deulen   from BoaRdyMeiSje, May 9, 2004
  • awsome   from Jessy, Jan 6, 2004
  • Different Movie   from YogB, Jan 21, 2004
  • unbeliveable   from kamilla, Feb 23, 2004
  • it is a great movie and eli and alex hot   from Tamsin, Mar 13, 2004
  • » You can't do the impossible. «   from Fortune, Mar 28, 2004
  • i think John Robinson is amazing!.. lol   from Ceyara Harvey, Mar 28, 2004
  • read:   from rebekca, May 1, 2004
  • Re: read:   from emily, May 8, 2004
  • [no subject]   from christy read!, May 17, 2004
  • pics. of john robinson!   from chrisy read, May 17, 2004
  • Re: pics. of john robinson!   from ted, Jul 14, 2004
  • mouahahahahahahah..^^   from Popy Vinyl, May 28, 2004
  • Re: mouahahahahahahah..^^   from , Jul 30, 2004
  • John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from Kayla, Jun 14, 2004
  • Re: John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from amber, Jun 21, 2004
  • Re: John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from rosie, Jun 27, 2004
  • yo!   from brina and meredith, Jul 4, 2004
  • JOHN   from Lana, Jul 5, 2004
  • UNFORTUNATE FUTURE FOR JOHN   from Alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • Worked With The cast The red head kid   from Roman Ostrovsky, Jul 5, 2004
  • WHOA   from Sloane, Aug 2, 2004
  • Re: WHOA   from amber, Aug 2, 2004
  • Elephant   from Adrienne, Aug 3, 2004
  • the movie duh!   from mariah, Aug 14, 2004
  • Amazing Movie!!!   from Joel, Aug 26, 2004
  • changed   from amber, Aug 27, 2004
  • watched this movie last night...   from Josh, Aug 30, 2004
  • Please visit John Robinson's first & only website!   from John Robinson site Webmaster, Aug 30, 2004
  • with many thanks to cast and crew   from Zac, Aug 31, 2004
  • ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Kristie, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Tai, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Sandie, Aug 2, 2006
  • Hey dudes, Àcomo te la vou   from Austin Rogge, Sep 6, 2004
  • [no subject]   from lanny, Sep 25, 2004
  • JOHN YOU ARE BEUTIFUL   from ena, Nov 24, 2004
  • He stole my name.   from John Robinson, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: He stole my name.   from alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: He stole my name.   from mikky, Nov 25, 2004
  • halls of injustice   from lostSOULtee666, Nov 24, 2004
  • Acadia   from alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • wow!!   from lauren, Dec 4, 2004
  • John   from haley, Dec 7, 2004
  • Re: John   from Jessie, Dec 15, 2004
  • Re: John   from morgane, Jan 12, 2005
  • [no subject]   from Tinkerbell, Dec 28, 2004
  • does anyone no how i can contact him   from emma, Feb 1, 2005
  • john robinson   from melissa, Feb 20, 2005
  • awesome hotties!!!!!!!!!!!!!   from katherine, Mar 22, 2005
  • john i feel for ya bro1   from Katherine, Mar 23, 2005
  • Guy walking through corridors??   from pjrydo, Apr 19, 2005
  • Re: Guy walking through corridors??   from mallory, Apr 28, 2005
  • BOYS   from TJ, May 15, 2005
  • Re: BOYS   from Sandie, Aug 2, 2006
  • ...elephant...   from cora, May 24, 2005
  • The movie was breathtaking   from Whitney, Jul 1, 2005
  • Re: The movie was breathtaking   from willie, Oct 11, 2005
  • Elephant   from willlie, Oct 10, 2005
  • john   from willie, Oct 11, 2005
  • [no subject]   from rdog, Dec 10, 2005
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  • wow   from erin, Feb 4, 2006
  • BEST film I«ve ever seen   from Lilith, Mar 19, 2006
  • Re: BEST film I«ve ever seen   from not_on, Apr 18, 2006
  • i loved it!!!!   from Hailey, Mar 22, 2006
  • GRRR....   from sydney<3JohnRobinson, May 3, 2006
  • "Elephant" promises much, but delivers little   from Onikaze, May 19, 2006
  • SEXY!!!!   from hannah, Jul 20, 2006
  • Hey this is for ALEX FROST   from Jessica Hays, Aug 2, 2006
  • To the one who posted the review...   from Ligaya, Aug 23, 2006
  • whata   from idkwhat, Sep 19, 2006
  • Re: whata   from DAmn u, Feb 13, 2007
  • HI ALEX   from Megan Saul, Nov 10, 2003
  • ALEX AND ERIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!   from Madonna, May 9, 2004
  • Elias McConnell   from Ali, Nov 11, 2003
  • Re: Elias McConnell   from kevin, Nov 12, 2003
  • Elephant and that t-shirt   from j.price, Nov 14, 2003
  • hottie...john robinson   from steph k, Nov 14, 2003
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  • Re: Elias McConnell   from mathilde, Nov 21, 2003
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  • Elias McConnell's friend Ali   from Amber, Sep 18, 2004
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  • looks really good &Eric Deulenis hot:)   from kami, Nov 19, 2003
  • HOT HOT AND MORE HOTTIE-HOTNESS   from EMIKO & surya, Nov 19, 2003
  • john Robinson a very good actor!!!   from mathilde, Nov 21, 2003
  • Re: john Robinson a very good actor!!!   from LAURE, Nov 27, 2003
  • jooooooooooooooooooooooooooohn!!   from morgane, Nov 25, 2004
  • Re: jooooooooooooooooooooooooooohn!!   from hihi, Nov 15, 2005
  • john with his T-shirt   from mathilde, Nov 21, 2003
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  • Re: john with his T-shirt   from Maria, Aug 12, 2004
  • Re: john with his T-shirt   from Tim, Apr 3, 2005
  • Why " Elephant"?   from Monica, Nov 30, 2003
  • Re: Why   from manos, Dec 11, 2003
  • Re: Why   from ryan, Dec 14, 2003
  • REAL REASON BEHIND TITLE   from Alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: REAL REASON BEHIND TITLE   from Emily, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: Why   from Tai, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: Why   from , Dec 20, 2003
  • Re: Why   from Anne, Jan 14, 2004
  • Re: Why   from ilene, May 28, 2004
  • <~~MY VIEWS ON ELEPHANT~~>   from >>>>AMI>>>, Sep 17, 2004
  • Re: Why   from Kyle, Jan 8, 2004
  • Re: Why   from , Jan 24, 2005
  • eric deulen   from , Dec 3, 2003
  • Re: eric deulen   from BoaRdyMeiSje, May 9, 2004
  • awsome   from Jessy, Jan 6, 2004
  • Different Movie   from YogB, Jan 21, 2004
  • unbeliveable   from kamilla, Feb 23, 2004
  • it is a great movie and eli and alex hot   from Tamsin, Mar 13, 2004
  • » You can't do the impossible. «   from Fortune, Mar 28, 2004
  • i think John Robinson is amazing!.. lol   from Ceyara Harvey, Mar 28, 2004
  • read:   from rebekca, May 1, 2004
  • Re: read:   from emily, May 8, 2004
  • [no subject]   from christy read!, May 17, 2004
  • pics. of john robinson!   from chrisy read, May 17, 2004
  • Re: pics. of john robinson!   from ted, Jul 14, 2004
  • mouahahahahahahah..^^   from Popy Vinyl, May 28, 2004
  • Re: mouahahahahahahah..^^   from , Jul 30, 2004
  • John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from Kayla, Jun 14, 2004
  • Re: John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from amber, Jun 21, 2004
  • Re: John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from rosie, Jun 27, 2004
  • yo!   from brina and meredith, Jul 4, 2004
  • JOHN   from Lana, Jul 5, 2004
  • UNFORTUNATE FUTURE FOR JOHN   from Alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • Worked With The cast The red head kid   from Roman Ostrovsky, Jul 5, 2004
  • WHOA   from Sloane, Aug 2, 2004
  • Re: WHOA   from amber, Aug 2, 2004
  • Elephant   from Adrienne, Aug 3, 2004
  • the movie duh!   from mariah, Aug 14, 2004
  • Amazing Movie!!!   from Joel, Aug 26, 2004
  • changed   from amber, Aug 27, 2004
  • watched this movie last night...   from Josh, Aug 30, 2004
  • Please visit John Robinson's first & only website!   from John Robinson site Webmaster, Aug 30, 2004
  • with many thanks to cast and crew   from Zac, Aug 31, 2004
  • ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Kristie, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Tai, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Sandie, Aug 2, 2006
  • Hey dudes, Àcomo te la vou   from Austin Rogge, Sep 6, 2004
  • [no subject]   from lanny, Sep 25, 2004
  • JOHN YOU ARE BEUTIFUL   from ena, Nov 24, 2004
  • He stole my name.   from John Robinson, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: He stole my name.   from alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: He stole my name.   from mikky, Nov 25, 2004
  • halls of injustice   from lostSOULtee666, Nov 24, 2004
  • Acadia   from alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • wow!!   from lauren, Dec 4, 2004
  • John   from haley, Dec 7, 2004
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  • [no subject]   from Tinkerbell, Dec 28, 2004
  • does anyone no how i can contact him   from emma, Feb 1, 2005
  • john robinson   from melissa, Feb 20, 2005
  • awesome hotties!!!!!!!!!!!!!   from katherine, Mar 22, 2005
  • john i feel for ya bro1   from Katherine, Mar 23, 2005
  • Guy walking through corridors??   from pjrydo, Apr 19, 2005
  • Re: Guy walking through corridors??   from mallory, Apr 28, 2005
  • BOYS   from TJ, May 15, 2005
  • Re: BOYS   from Sandie, Aug 2, 2006
  • ...elephant...   from cora, May 24, 2005
  • The movie was breathtaking   from Whitney, Jul 1, 2005
  • Re: The movie was breathtaking   from willie, Oct 11, 2005
  • Elephant   from willlie, Oct 10, 2005
  • john   from willie, Oct 11, 2005
  • [no subject]   from rdog, Dec 10, 2005
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  • wow   from erin, Feb 4, 2006
  • BEST film I«ve ever seen   from Lilith, Mar 19, 2006
  • Re: BEST film I«ve ever seen   from not_on, Apr 18, 2006
  • i loved it!!!!   from Hailey, Mar 22, 2006
  • GRRR....   from sydney<3JohnRobinson, May 3, 2006
  • "Elephant" promises much, but delivers little   from Onikaze, May 19, 2006
  • SEXY!!!!   from hannah, Jul 20, 2006
  • Hey this is for ALEX FROST   from Jessica Hays, Aug 2, 2006
  • To the one who posted the review...   from Ligaya, Aug 23, 2006
  • whata   from idkwhat, Sep 19, 2006
  • Re: whata   from DAmn u, Feb 13, 2007