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    Reader comments on Elephant

    Subject: Re: Elephant? Man.....
    Date: Nov 26, 2003
    Sender: RyanPrevious | Next

    Dana, I couldn't agree with you more. I left the movie feeling cheated and hollow. I felt so detached from the movie the whole time. With some artistic scenes, like the piano scene near the end, I liked. But, with the walking scenes, and the sky forming into a storm scene, the movie would really only be 40 minutes. It was filled with a lot of bologne. A lot of wishy washy bologne. It felt like Sant had no idea what he was doing. It was like ok here are these two boys who are going to do this monstrosity. Now, their about to go do it, oh shit i better throw in them playing a shoot em up game, and oh yeah they watch some Hitler show on the history channel for a minute, great now their natural born killers. RIDICULOUS. I really just felt like it turned out to give an effect that was the opposite of what Sant wanted to portray. It was glorifying the shootings, in my mind. The two actual Columbine shooters even said, "one day people will make movies about us" and I really wish I wouldn't have gone and seen the movie that those kids knew would be made, badly. blah.. I feel like I wasted time and money, and supported the cause of American propaghanda, watch Hitler and play shoot him up games=school violence, bullshit.

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    Elephant? Man.....

    After just having seen the film "Elephant", I had to write and say how far (pardon the pun)'off the mark' all good reviews of this film were. I felt so ripped off after seeing it that I debated asking for my money back. Let's get some perspective here for those who haven't seen it yet - it sucks.

    To start, the first half of the film is destroyed by the unforgivable amount of time that the camera focuses on mundane activities - such as on the backs of cast members' heads as they walk down the halls. This example was supposedly an attempt to replicate the video shooting game that the shooters played. Yeah, yeah, get on with it - I got the picture after the first laboriously long hall walk. Trust me - the whole "switching perspectives" idea could've been accomplished with far less celluloid.

    Don't get me wrong - I went into the film expecting what I'd heard - that it was intentionally superficial and shallow, with no background provided into the characters or their motivations. Fine - but it didn't work. In terms of actual substance, Elephant was as disappointingly empty and frivolous as the film Pumpkin. There is no deep, implied meaning, underlying substance, or artistic merit to it. Van Sant obviously did no research on the subject because if he had, these things would've manifested themselves in a wonderfully subtle and disturbing manner. Research would've also helped him to get some of the simple logistics correct - and perhaps prompted him to take an honest, second look at the gay shower to see how silly and gratuitous its inclusion was. Oh please.

    What this film needed was a good editor... and a helluva lot of substance. Seriously folks - don't bother with this one.






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  • Amazing Movie!!!   from Joel, Aug 26, 2004
  • changed   from amber, Aug 27, 2004
  • watched this movie last night...   from Josh, Aug 30, 2004
  • Please visit John Robinson's first & only website!   from John Robinson site Webmaster, Aug 30, 2004
  • with many thanks to cast and crew   from Zac, Aug 31, 2004
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  • ...elephant...   from cora, May 24, 2005
  • The movie was breathtaking   from Whitney, Jul 1, 2005
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  • Elephant   from willlie, Oct 10, 2005
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  • Hey this is for ALEX FROST   from Jessica Hays, Aug 2, 2006
  • To the one who posted the review...   from Ligaya, Aug 23, 2006
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  • HI ALEX   from Megan Saul, Nov 10, 2003
  • ALEX AND ERIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!   from Madonna, May 9, 2004
  • Elias McConnell   from Ali, Nov 11, 2003
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  • looks really good &Eric Deulenis hot:)   from kami, Nov 19, 2003
  • HOT HOT AND MORE HOTTIE-HOTNESS   from EMIKO & surya, Nov 19, 2003
  • john Robinson a very good actor!!!   from mathilde, Nov 21, 2003
  • Re: john Robinson a very good actor!!!   from LAURE, Nov 27, 2003
  • jooooooooooooooooooooooooooohn!!   from morgane, Nov 25, 2004
  • Re: jooooooooooooooooooooooooooohn!!   from hihi, Nov 15, 2005
  • john with his T-shirt   from mathilde, Nov 21, 2003
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  • Why " Elephant"?   from Monica, Nov 30, 2003
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  • REAL REASON BEHIND TITLE   from Alex, Nov 24, 2004
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  • Re: Why   from , Dec 20, 2003
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  • <~~MY VIEWS ON ELEPHANT~~>   from >>>>AMI>>>, Sep 17, 2004
  • Re: Why   from Kyle, Jan 8, 2004
  • Re: Why   from , Jan 24, 2005
  • eric deulen   from , Dec 3, 2003
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  • awsome   from Jessy, Jan 6, 2004
  • Different Movie   from YogB, Jan 21, 2004
  • unbeliveable   from kamilla, Feb 23, 2004
  • it is a great movie and eli and alex hot   from Tamsin, Mar 13, 2004
  • You can't do the impossible.   from Fortune, Mar 28, 2004
  • i think John Robinson is amazing!.. lol   from Ceyara Harvey, Mar 28, 2004
  • read:   from rebekca, May 1, 2004
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  • [no subject]   from christy read!, May 17, 2004
  • pics. of john robinson!   from chrisy read, May 17, 2004
  • Re: pics. of john robinson!   from ted, Jul 14, 2004
  • mouahahahahahahah..^^   from Popy Vinyl, May 28, 2004
  • Re: mouahahahahahahah..^^   from , Jul 30, 2004
  • John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from Kayla, Jun 14, 2004
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  • Re: John Robinson is the hottest guy ever!   from rosie, Jun 27, 2004
  • yo!   from brina and meredith, Jul 4, 2004
  • JOHN   from Lana, Jul 5, 2004
  • UNFORTUNATE FUTURE FOR JOHN   from Alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • Worked With The cast The red head kid   from Roman Ostrovsky, Jul 5, 2004
  • WHOA   from Sloane, Aug 2, 2004
  • Re: WHOA   from amber, Aug 2, 2004
  • Elephant   from Adrienne, Aug 3, 2004
  • the movie duh!   from mariah, Aug 14, 2004
  • Amazing Movie!!!   from Joel, Aug 26, 2004
  • changed   from amber, Aug 27, 2004
  • watched this movie last night...   from Josh, Aug 30, 2004
  • Please visit John Robinson's first & only website!   from John Robinson site Webmaster, Aug 30, 2004
  • with many thanks to cast and crew   from Zac, Aug 31, 2004
  • ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Kristie, Sep 6, 2004
  • Re: ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Tai, Nov 24, 2004
  • Re: ALEX,ERIC,AND JOHN   from Sandie, Aug 2, 2006
  • Hey dudes, como te la vou   from Austin Rogge, Sep 6, 2004
  • [no subject]   from lanny, Sep 25, 2004
  • JOHN YOU ARE BEUTIFUL   from ena, Nov 24, 2004
  • He stole my name.   from John Robinson, Nov 24, 2004
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  • Re: He stole my name.   from mikky, Nov 25, 2004
  • halls of injustice   from lostSOULtee666, Nov 24, 2004
  • Acadia   from alex, Nov 24, 2004
  • wow!!   from lauren, Dec 4, 2004
  • John   from haley, Dec 7, 2004
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  • Re: John   from morgane, Jan 12, 2005
  • [no subject]   from Tinkerbell, Dec 28, 2004
  • does anyone no how i can contact him   from emma, Feb 1, 2005
  • john robinson   from melissa, Feb 20, 2005
  • awesome hotties!!!!!!!!!!!!!   from katherine, Mar 22, 2005
  • john i feel for ya bro1   from Katherine, Mar 23, 2005
  • Guy walking through corridors??   from pjrydo, Apr 19, 2005
  • Re: Guy walking through corridors??   from mallory, Apr 28, 2005
  • BOYS   from TJ, May 15, 2005
  • Re: BOYS   from Sandie, Aug 2, 2006
  • ...elephant...   from cora, May 24, 2005
  • The movie was breathtaking   from Whitney, Jul 1, 2005
  • Re: The movie was breathtaking   from willie, Oct 11, 2005
  • Elephant   from willlie, Oct 10, 2005
  • john   from willie, Oct 11, 2005
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  • wow   from erin, Feb 4, 2006
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  • i loved it!!!!   from Hailey, Mar 22, 2006
  • GRRR....   from sydney<3JohnRobinson, May 3, 2006
  • "Elephant" promises much, but delivers little   from Onikaze, May 19, 2006
  • SEXY!!!!   from hannah, Jul 20, 2006
  • Hey this is for ALEX FROST   from Jessica Hays, Aug 2, 2006
  • To the one who posted the review...   from Ligaya, Aug 23, 2006
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