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    Subject: Re: Why must we all be so fecking arty??
    Date: Sep 12, 2002
    Sender: VincentPrevious | Next

    Okay, on one hand it has a poor script (not soap quality tho!) and excessive violence and sex...

    You are quite correct that it is an exploitation movie... my point is "so what?" must we all be art wankers to enjoy a movie? Do you not enjoy movies with violence and sex in them? I believe it to be more than an exploitation film, but the mere fact that it works on shock value is no reason to devalue it...

    Why must everyone have to be some sort of arty film critic wanker? Something doesn't have to be sophistocated to be art, and to carry its message across to its audience... There is very little skill or technique in abstract ex[ressionism is there? Yet it is still valued for what it means, not how arty and stylish it is...

    So, for all you arty-beatnik-types blagging this film because of its low quality and apparently lacking script, get off your high horse and try to judge a film for what it is...

    baise Moi never claimed to be a groudbreaking masterpiece of art cinema did it? I think not...

    -Sincerely, Vincent

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    Fetishising guns is new? Brain-dead, kind of fasc

    I just saw this film. First, don't let any wankeur or wankette tell you this is a milestone in th'art of the kinema. It aint. Basically a boring, underscripted road movie, it relies entirely on the sex and violence to get a (publicity, audience, etc) reaction.
    It needs to because there's nothing in the editing, camerawork etc that's any more than run-of-the-mill competent: roughly as good as an episode of an afternoon soap, in terms of actual quality. But the afternoon soap would win, over all, because though its script will be pretty much drivel, it will still be, on average, better than the script here.
    Yeah, _Baise moi_ ups the ante on film violence, and some people seem to think that makes it a milestone in film. Nah, sorry. Any fool can set that record - a record that I don't see as having any value or merit; is there anyone who really thinks: "Oh, what we need in films is more pointless and affectless violence?" And another film will soon come along and set a new one.
    And then there's politics. Female rage, check. So it must be sort of feminist? Nah, not really. The lead characters kill about as many women as men. And guess what? Though the lead characters kill men and women to rob them, mostly people in this film get killed for having sex.
    Radical, yes? Nah, radical, no. Pretty much same old same old, in terms of gun fetishising, pro-violence movies.
    As the lead characters murder the men and women in a sex club, I couldn't help thinking how much your basic Nazi right would love this movie: big guns on the screen, and wasting the perverts, just for being perverts, yay!
    And make no mistake: the violence is presented uncritically by the film-makers; this _is_ just another exploitation film. But if this shallow film is arty, or nouvelle vague, so's an Arnie movie: switch gender and you have about the same politics.
    The two lead actors, I should say, are really good. Both turn in acting appearances that far outshine anything else in the film. They both deserve to be in better films. And since I'll bet the porn films they were in were much less violent than this, the fact is: they already have been.

    Cheers!


    Laon







    Comment index:

  • News from Paris   from G.D., Aug 29, 2001
  • A QuŽbec point of view (french-canadian)   from Onssan Fout, Apr 1, 2002
  • Why all the aggro?   from Lexy, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Why all the aggro?   from jerico, Oct 23, 2002
  • I loved the movie   from Nancy, Mar 6, 2002
  • my favorite movie   from shanti, Mar 31, 2002
  • A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from stroszek, Jun 12, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from P.M., Jul 13, 2002
  • You are definetly NUTS   from 'n Ast, Apr 14, 2002
  • why????   from mole, Apr 20, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Victim, May 25, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from the anti hero, Jun 10, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Johny, Jul 12, 2002
  • Re: YOU are definetly nuts   from anon. male, Mar 17, 2004
  • » Re: Why must we all be so fecking arty?? «   from Vincent, Sep 12, 2002
  • Banned in Australia   from Alex, May 10, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Ted, May 18, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from tcw, May 20, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Andrew, Jun 24, 2004
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Lola, Dec 8, 2005
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Mark Moran, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Jamerson, Jul 25, 2002
  • Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from glenn, Sep 25, 2002
  • Re: Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from josŽ luis, Jan 28, 2006
  • Banning in AU / GB / elsewhere   from Kazza, Jan 15, 2003
  • well... well...   from Killer, May 4, 2003
  • Re: well... well...   from Ronnie, May 17, 2004
  • Brilliant!   from muana, Sep 28, 2003
  • Is it good?   from Vincent, Oct 8, 2003
  • Best rental I never paid for...   from G Wright, Aug 8, 2004
  • Best movie since Blade Runner   from Sam (UK), Nov 25, 2004
  • stardust   from stardust, Feb 14, 2005
  • R.I.P Karen   from Lumox, Mar 18, 2005
  • groundbreaking   from r.o., Apr 24, 2005
  • Ciao Karen   from Marmas, Jan 17, 2006
  • News from Paris   from G.D., Aug 29, 2001
  • A QuŽbec point of view (french-canadian)   from Onssan Fout, Apr 1, 2002
  • Why all the aggro?   from Lexy, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Why all the aggro?   from jerico, Oct 23, 2002
  • I loved the movie   from Nancy, Mar 6, 2002
  • my favorite movie   from shanti, Mar 31, 2002
  • A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from stroszek, Jun 12, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from P.M., Jul 13, 2002
  • You are definetly NUTS   from 'n Ast, Apr 14, 2002
  • why????   from mole, Apr 20, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Victim, May 25, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from the anti hero, Jun 10, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Johny, Jul 12, 2002
  • Re: YOU are definetly nuts   from anon. male, Mar 17, 2004
  • » Re: Why must we all be so fecking arty?? «   from Vincent, Sep 12, 2002
  • Banned in Australia   from Alex, May 10, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Ted, May 18, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from tcw, May 20, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Andrew, Jun 24, 2004
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Lola, Dec 8, 2005
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Mark Moran, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Jamerson, Jul 25, 2002
  • Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from glenn, Sep 25, 2002
  • Re: Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from josŽ luis, Jan 28, 2006
  • Banning in AU / GB / elsewhere   from Kazza, Jan 15, 2003
  • well... well...   from Killer, May 4, 2003
  • Re: well... well...   from Ronnie, May 17, 2004
  • Brilliant!   from muana, Sep 28, 2003
  • Is it good?   from Vincent, Oct 8, 2003
  • Best rental I never paid for...   from G Wright, Aug 8, 2004
  • Best movie since Blade Runner   from Sam (UK), Nov 25, 2004
  • stardust   from stardust, Feb 14, 2005
  • R.I.P Karen   from Lumox, Mar 18, 2005
  • groundbreaking   from r.o., Apr 24, 2005
  • Ciao Karen   from Marmas, Jan 17, 2006