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    Subject: Re: A french point of view
    Date: Jul 13, 2002
    Sender: P.M.Previous | Next

    My My My... what did I say?

    That we sincerely thank american critics and public to sustain the real Nouvelle Vague more than the French public does, but that it is quite poor to consider BAISE-MOI as a nouvelle vague film, which no french critics did in the least - and we have some reputed critics too, dear stroszek, especially regarding nouvelle vague, which has been made by critics working at "Les Cahiers Du CinŽma", should i recall..

    I also said that BAISE-MOI is a Z-Movie, but i didn't say it was not worth seeing! I said it was not worth the intellectual boo-boo you make about it. It's a Z-movie! Like some John Waters, no more no less! why compare that to some Rohmer or Rivette or Eustache? It's sure overloving french breed...

    I did'n't say there was no idea in it either, feminist or else (but if you call Thelma & Louise "feminist", well, poor women...). I even said that there was a "philo background", and that this background was dull and questionable. You're free to think it's "worth cultivating", not to say i'm an extreme-right-winger-like-all-french. Where did you learn that? on CNN speaking of the 30% by LePen in the first round of May polls? Well CNN learned us about George Bush elected as a president, that doesn't make rednecks out of you all.

    Finally you find french contemptful and emphasize "American Movie Culture". French are not contemptful, millions of them pay to see your movies full of special effects, first-degree dialogs, funky soundtracks and blonde bombshells... well, er, speaking of "movie culture", we just wonder if Cassavetes was american, that's all...



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    Re: A french point of view

    I have read one review from a reputable source that even mentioned the New Wave in comparison to this film, and that reviewer was reminded of a look, not intellectual content. Most critics have complained about making any such comparison. [However, have you ever watched Godard's WEEKEND? That is another example of a film that was made to not-enjoy, to not-find-pleasurable, to disturb, to be noisy, violent, gross, sexually un-erotic, pedantic.]

    But what have you done to support the cause of the dying French wave? Seen Agnes Varda's latest? Claire Denis'?

    If any wish to *see* a great french filmmaker at work, find _The Gleaners and I_.

    However, do not steer clear of Baise-Moi because of its sick sneer at the possibility for successful feminist discourse in a society that too much enjoys the violent male gaze that was forced upon it...no, see the film to understand what is wrong with such a cynical critique. It is good to know how your fellow people think about the possibility to progress beyond a primal grunt.

    In reference to PM's comments: It is humorous to see a French person once again project feelings of bourgeois contempt for their reality upon critical American discourse. As if Americans made the film. As if such a complaint were not over-used rubbish--a complete failure to accept that France, too as well as the US, is a fucked-up right-wing mess at the moment.

    Of course, Baise-Moi is a product of its times. I can see this film as a direct response to knee-jerk bourgeois moral sentimentality that has replaced radical discourse since 1968--a hearkening back to the supposedly more pure values of the past that infects most nostalgic cultures. Of course, Baise-Moi is no radical film. It is shlock. But at least it is honest, unpretentious shlock.

    And, the idea that a film such as this would *cause* someone to rape or murder is a weak attempt at a critique. A seriously flawed and immature critique at best.

    So, I would like to thank our French comrade for offering such an honest and pure condemnation not of a film that may or may not be worth seeing, but of a culture definitely worth cultivating. [bet you think I am referring to the US; I am referring to film culture...]



    tchau,
    gn






    Comment index:

  • News from Paris   from G.D., Aug 29, 2001
  • A QuŽbec point of view (french-canadian)   from Onssan Fout, Apr 1, 2002
  • Why all the aggro?   from Lexy, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Why all the aggro?   from jerico, Oct 23, 2002
  • I loved the movie   from Nancy, Mar 6, 2002
  • my favorite movie   from shanti, Mar 31, 2002
  • A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from stroszek, Jun 12, 2002
  • » Re: A french point of view «   from P.M., Jul 13, 2002
  • You are definetly NUTS   from 'n Ast, Apr 14, 2002
  • why????   from mole, Apr 20, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Victim, May 25, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from the anti hero, Jun 10, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Johny, Jul 12, 2002
  • Re: YOU are definetly nuts   from anon. male, Mar 17, 2004
  • Re: Why must we all be so fecking arty??   from Vincent, Sep 12, 2002
  • Banned in Australia   from Alex, May 10, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Ted, May 18, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from tcw, May 20, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Andrew, Jun 24, 2004
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Lola, Dec 8, 2005
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Mark Moran, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Jamerson, Jul 25, 2002
  • Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from glenn, Sep 25, 2002
  • Re: Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from josŽ luis, Jan 28, 2006
  • Banning in AU / GB / elsewhere   from Kazza, Jan 15, 2003
  • well... well...   from Killer, May 4, 2003
  • Re: well... well...   from Ronnie, May 17, 2004
  • Brilliant!   from muana, Sep 28, 2003
  • Is it good?   from Vincent, Oct 8, 2003
  • Best rental I never paid for...   from G Wright, Aug 8, 2004
  • Best movie since Blade Runner   from Sam (UK), Nov 25, 2004
  • stardust   from stardust, Feb 14, 2005
  • R.I.P Karen   from Lumox, Mar 18, 2005
  • groundbreaking   from r.o., Apr 24, 2005
  • Ciao Karen   from Marmas, Jan 17, 2006
  • News from Paris   from G.D., Aug 29, 2001
  • A QuŽbec point of view (french-canadian)   from Onssan Fout, Apr 1, 2002
  • Why all the aggro?   from Lexy, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Why all the aggro?   from jerico, Oct 23, 2002
  • I loved the movie   from Nancy, Mar 6, 2002
  • my favorite movie   from shanti, Mar 31, 2002
  • A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from P.M., Apr 1, 2002
  • Re: A french point of view   from stroszek, Jun 12, 2002
  • » Re: A french point of view «   from P.M., Jul 13, 2002
  • You are definetly NUTS   from 'n Ast, Apr 14, 2002
  • why????   from mole, Apr 20, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Victim, May 25, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from the anti hero, Jun 10, 2002
  • Re: You are definetly NUTS   from Johny, Jul 12, 2002
  • Re: YOU are definetly nuts   from anon. male, Mar 17, 2004
  • Re: Why must we all be so fecking arty??   from Vincent, Sep 12, 2002
  • Banned in Australia   from Alex, May 10, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Ted, May 18, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from tcw, May 20, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Andrew, Jun 24, 2004
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Lola, Dec 8, 2005
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Mark Moran, Jun 16, 2002
  • Re: Banned in Australia   from Jamerson, Jul 25, 2002
  • Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from glenn, Sep 25, 2002
  • Re: Piece of Shit, no redeeming qualities (n/t)   from josŽ luis, Jan 28, 2006
  • Banning in AU / GB / elsewhere   from Kazza, Jan 15, 2003
  • well... well...   from Killer, May 4, 2003
  • Re: well... well...   from Ronnie, May 17, 2004
  • Brilliant!   from muana, Sep 28, 2003
  • Is it good?   from Vincent, Oct 8, 2003
  • Best rental I never paid for...   from G Wright, Aug 8, 2004
  • Best movie since Blade Runner   from Sam (UK), Nov 25, 2004
  • stardust   from stardust, Feb 14, 2005
  • R.I.P Karen   from Lumox, Mar 18, 2005
  • groundbreaking   from r.o., Apr 24, 2005
  • Ciao Karen   from Marmas, Jan 17, 2006