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  •  READER COMMENTS

    Reader comments on Grizzly Man

    Subject: Re: Herzog undecided
    Date: May 14, 2006
    Sender: a clairePrevious | Next

    sounds like you just wanted Herzog to have an agenda about Treadwell, that you just wanted him to portray the message of love; but Treadwell was so disturbed, and didn't seem capable of love of anything or anyone...the footage was all of HIM!!! he was always standing in front of the bears, bragging how he was a warrior and a protector and criticizing people who had actual expertise about bears and wildlife, Treadwell was a sad case who knew little about ecology, biology, or even behavior of bears...he constantly focused on himself and his misguided delusion that he was helping bears. How could Herzog ignore that reality and just push Treadwell as a sweet, loving environmentalist who only wanted to help the bears? That is a fiction, and Herzog made a documentary.

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    Herzog undecided


    With over 100 hours of film footage, you think they could have made a fairly interesting movie with this admittedly quirky guy.

    However, America's fascination with death takes over in the beginning and we get views that say he Treadwell was "mentally retarded", interview a distraught girlfriend, the coroner. This does not make for very pleasant or even interesting viewing, and is the type of thing one might choose NOT to watch.

    The real message is that a man chose to live his life in a way that would chill most of us - but he did so with full cognizance of the risks and rewards and proceeded anyway, content in his choice.

    The narrator, who sounds suspiciously like Arnold Schwarzennegger (though of course it's Werner Herzog, once you think this, it's distracting), pays both Timothy and the movie a disservice as his commentary becomes increasingly opinionated, and further distracting.

    Werner, by the way, is all over the place in his commentary - like he can't reconcile his views of the man, his life, or even his own film, the documentary itself. It seems like a rough draft.

    All of the intimately personal moments Treadwell records - well, I don't mind them so much, I think everyone ought to do that sort of thing - express oneself, let it all out, do some soul-searching. But then that should be it - I'm just saying that sort of material just doesn't make for the best story and ultimately detracts from the documentary. A little bit - fine - give us the flavor of the man. But just a little. It's just not particularly entertaining. Plus, little editing was done.

    If you want to honor a man's life, why not show more of the footage of the bears, the foxes, the gorgeous landscape - the very things Treadwell describes as compelling him to this landscape, these risks, this way of life. This is what would make him happy - to have his message conveyed. Isn't the flick "in honor of"?

    I'm not necessarily for the message by the way - Treadwell might have been doing more of a personal journey than anything for the bears. The point was made in the film that getting bears used to people might be a bad thing - particularly for the bears, when not all people who might travel the wilderness want to cuddle, and some might be, well, armed.

    But why else make a movie about the subject! You have to make the subject compelling and possibly even take a tack that honors their purpose, a favorable eye. But even if it's a critical eye, Werner can't decide.

    I think the filmmakers simply found themselves with a lot of footage, a lot of content. The commentary seems to be sidelong and undecided, even talking out of one-side of their mouths about the subject at any given moment. Directionless.

    Werner talks about dispassionate nature and how he views the world as murderous. And then produces the footage to make Treadwell out to be a loon instead of focusing on a film an audience would appreciate watching - the core message of Treadwell's unusual existence. Whether you agree or not, or want to sleep with bears, the man spoke of Love.

    I would have been more pleased if they had tried to write a story that expressed more of what this man was all about, his care of nature, the bridge of nature he had obviously crossed as so few have and, by his own testimony, successfully. He did what he wanted to do, which is more than many.

    What footage they do show is both touching and satisfying, with glimpses of nature seldom seen. Really a neat approach to one man's life, with an intimate portrait of bears of foxes and man's relaionship to them.

    If they felt they needed to temper it, because of the precautionary fear that viewers will suddenly pack up and drive to the Alaskan wilderness and expose themselves to grizzlies, then a little sobering reality about his own death was fine, enough to make me stay away. But not such morbid fascination, lurid in its detail; instead a greater telling and, here's the bit, actually fits with the story.

    Then everybody laments the death of the girl. Of course it's a tragedy and I don't belittle it, and maybe she just went for an outing in Alaska. But I am hesitant to believe that she didn't have a good idea of who Timothy was - he was so forcefully honest about his passion, or that she didn't know that she was in Alaska, one, with grizzlies, two. Despite the loss, I think she was taking a calculated risk in a touchy situation and was at least somewhat aware of the dangers - even though she didn't have the deathwish/found purpose of Treadwell. Doesn't make it less sad, but when done with consciousness there is choice.

    In conclusion, I think this movie had some beautiful moments and rare footage. I think it presented an odd lifestyle choice, and is thought-provoking because of it. But I think in the end it ultimately fails to stand up as a film or documentary, and it would have been interesting to see the other film made - the one I think I wanted to see, or to just watch highligh






    Comment index:

  • [no subject]   from , Dec 28, 2005
  • Treadwell   from Helen, Jan 4, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from , Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from Emerson V. Craig, Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from , Jul 27, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from kevin, Sep 3, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from stephen smith, Mar 17, 2006
  • grizzly man   from orca, Jan 6, 2006
  • Re: grizzly man   from Mike, Feb 28, 2006
  • Treadwell naive but caring   from willie, Jan 23, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell naive but caring   from jonny-h, Feb 4, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell naive but caring   from Kathy Handyside, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell naive but caring   from , Jul 27, 2006
  • I Was Spared   from Colin, Jan 26, 2006
  • Re: I Was Spared   from hal e., Feb 6, 2006
  • Re: I Was Spared   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: I Was Spared   from kevin, Sep 3, 2006
  • Grizzly Games   from F.W. Samms, Feb 4, 2006
  • He was a moron   from jeffrey, Feb 5, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Tryten, Feb 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from hihihi, Sep 3, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Jim, Sep 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Ed, Feb 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Terry, Feb 8, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from andrew, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from loser you, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Timothy, Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from ANDREW, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from craig, Apr 24, 2008
  • Re: He was a moron   from anyoumos, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from , Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from GlacierCamper, Apr 13, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Timothy, Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Phil, Mar 12, 2006
  • This was idiotic   from GlacierCamper, Apr 13, 2006
  • Re: This was idiotic   from bruce, Aug 21, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Eddie, Apr 19, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Irina, Oct 1, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Kim, May 10, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from a claire, May 14, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from kevin, Sep 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Show Case Cabinets, Sep 11, 2006
  • sad   from michael, Feb 6, 2006
  • his love   from Lee, Feb 6, 2006
  • grizzly   from Paulina Jick, Feb 16, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from Paulina Jick, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from , Jun 28, 2006
  • inspiring me   from paulina Jick, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from Irina, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from , Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from Kathy Handyside, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from bruce, Aug 23, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from bruce, Aug 23, 2006
  • HEY   from Paulina jick, Feb 2, 2008
  • Film makers Comments Says it All   from Dan C, Feb 22, 2006
  • Herzog undecided   from wildfire, Feb 25, 2006
  • » Re: Herzog undecided «   from a claire, May 14, 2006
  • [no subject]   from annomous, Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: [no subject]   from anonymous, Feb 28, 2006
  • treadwell   from adam, Feb 26, 2006
  • Why did the Bear not eat his head?   from SolusMIB, Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: Why did the Bear not eat his head?   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: Why did the Bear not eat his head?   from kevin, Sep 8, 2006
  • What was wrong with Timothy?   from JLThomas, Mar 1, 2006
  • Re: What was wrong with Timothy?   from kevin, Sep 8, 2006
  • Timothy's intentions were good   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 3, 2006
  • This Movie Disturbed Me   from RCR, Mar 4, 2006
  • timy   from jayro, Mar 5, 2006
  • Hypocrisy and Sadness   from Buzz, Mar 5, 2006
  • Re: Hypocrisy and Sadness   from Viv, Mar 6, 2006
  • Re: Hypocrisy and Sadness   from Steve, Jul 27, 2006
  • Re: Hypocrisy and Sadness   from kevin, Sep 8, 2006
  • He had a good success for 13 years!   from Viv, Mar 6, 2006
  • Re: He had a good success for 13 years!   from Zeke, Mar 21, 2006
  • Re: He had a good success for 13 years!   from GlacierCamper, Apr 13, 2006
  • Re: He had a good success for 13 years!   from Kim, May 10, 2006
  • i love bears   from billy mcglone, Mar 25, 2006
  • the hungry bear the stupid human   from the messenger, Mar 25, 2006
  • him and grizzly   from maria, May 10, 2006
  • Re: him and grizzly   from colin, May 11, 2006
  • Re: him and grizzly   from DKB, May 28, 2006
  • YOU are the morons!   from chris, May 28, 2006
  • Re: YOU are the morons!   from Mn.T.Wolf, Jul 27, 2006
  • the wrong colors   from the bears hood, Jun 1, 2006
  • Re: the wrong colors   from dkb, Jun 3, 2006
  • Good Intentions   from Sara David, Jun 14, 2006
  • bear whisperer?   from MAL IN CAL, Jun 17, 2006
  • I LOVE TIMOTHY   from Andrew, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from Dkb, Jul 20, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from flix, Jul 27, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from jeanie Cruz, Aug 17, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from Brokenarrow, Aug 15, 2006
  • Thats what happens   from jake, Aug 17, 2006
  • new light   from kevin, Sep 6, 2006
  • Almost eaten my self !!   from ShowCase Cabinets, Sep 8, 2006
  • A Greatr Man   from Matthew Cabeza, Nov 2, 2006
  • Re: A Great Man   from Jeanne, Feb 15, 2007
  • Butterworth Misses the Point   from WAYNE AYERS, Nov 16, 2006
  • idk   from idk, Feb 5, 2007
  • idk   from idk, Feb 8, 2007
  • dumb ass   from david weaver, Mar 2, 2007
  • Mental Illness   from BearLover, Jan 2, 2008
  • Love those critters   from sid, Dec 27, 2008
  • [no subject]   from , Dec 28, 2005
  • Treadwell   from Helen, Jan 4, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from , Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from Emerson V. Craig, Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from , Jul 27, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from kevin, Sep 3, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell   from stephen smith, Mar 17, 2006
  • grizzly man   from orca, Jan 6, 2006
  • Re: grizzly man   from Mike, Feb 28, 2006
  • Treadwell naive but caring   from willie, Jan 23, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell naive but caring   from jonny-h, Feb 4, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell naive but caring   from Kathy Handyside, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: Treadwell naive but caring   from , Jul 27, 2006
  • I Was Spared   from Colin, Jan 26, 2006
  • Re: I Was Spared   from hal e., Feb 6, 2006
  • Re: I Was Spared   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: I Was Spared   from kevin, Sep 3, 2006
  • Grizzly Games   from F.W. Samms, Feb 4, 2006
  • He was a moron   from jeffrey, Feb 5, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Tryten, Feb 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from hihihi, Sep 3, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Jim, Sep 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Ed, Feb 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Terry, Feb 8, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from andrew, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from loser you, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Timothy, Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from ANDREW, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from craig, Apr 24, 2008
  • Re: He was a moron   from anyoumos, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from , Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from GlacierCamper, Apr 13, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Timothy, Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Phil, Mar 12, 2006
  • This was idiotic   from GlacierCamper, Apr 13, 2006
  • Re: This was idiotic   from bruce, Aug 21, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Eddie, Apr 19, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Irina, Oct 1, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Kim, May 10, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from a claire, May 14, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from kevin, Sep 6, 2006
  • Re: He was a moron   from Show Case Cabinets, Sep 11, 2006
  • sad   from michael, Feb 6, 2006
  • his love   from Lee, Feb 6, 2006
  • grizzly   from Paulina Jick, Feb 16, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from Paulina Jick, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from , Jun 28, 2006
  • inspiring me   from paulina Jick, Feb 17, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from Irina, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from , Feb 27, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from Kathy Handyside, Feb 22, 2006
  • Re: inspiring me   from bruce, Aug 23, 2006
  • Re: grizzly   from bruce, Aug 23, 2006
  • HEY   from Paulina jick, Feb 2, 2008
  • Film makers Comments Says it All   from Dan C, Feb 22, 2006
  • Herzog undecided   from wildfire, Feb 25, 2006
  • » Re: Herzog undecided «   from a claire, May 14, 2006
  • [no subject]   from annomous, Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: [no subject]   from anonymous, Feb 28, 2006
  • treadwell   from adam, Feb 26, 2006
  • Why did the Bear not eat his head?   from SolusMIB, Feb 26, 2006
  • Re: Why did the Bear not eat his head?   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 4, 2006
  • Re: Why did the Bear not eat his head?   from kevin, Sep 8, 2006
  • What was wrong with Timothy?   from JLThomas, Mar 1, 2006
  • Re: What was wrong with Timothy?   from kevin, Sep 8, 2006
  • Timothy's intentions were good   from Berry van Hagen, Mar 3, 2006
  • This Movie Disturbed Me   from RCR, Mar 4, 2006
  • timy   from jayro, Mar 5, 2006
  • Hypocrisy and Sadness   from Buzz, Mar 5, 2006
  • Re: Hypocrisy and Sadness   from Viv, Mar 6, 2006
  • Re: Hypocrisy and Sadness   from Steve, Jul 27, 2006
  • Re: Hypocrisy and Sadness   from kevin, Sep 8, 2006
  • He had a good success for 13 years!   from Viv, Mar 6, 2006
  • Re: He had a good success for 13 years!   from Zeke, Mar 21, 2006
  • Re: He had a good success for 13 years!   from GlacierCamper, Apr 13, 2006
  • Re: He had a good success for 13 years!   from Kim, May 10, 2006
  • i love bears   from billy mcglone, Mar 25, 2006
  • the hungry bear the stupid human   from the messenger, Mar 25, 2006
  • him and grizzly   from maria, May 10, 2006
  • Re: him and grizzly   from colin, May 11, 2006
  • Re: him and grizzly   from DKB, May 28, 2006
  • YOU are the morons!   from chris, May 28, 2006
  • Re: YOU are the morons!   from Mn.T.Wolf, Jul 27, 2006
  • the wrong colors   from the bears hood, Jun 1, 2006
  • Re: the wrong colors   from dkb, Jun 3, 2006
  • Good Intentions   from Sara David, Jun 14, 2006
  • bear whisperer?   from MAL IN CAL, Jun 17, 2006
  • I LOVE TIMOTHY   from Andrew, Jun 28, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from Dkb, Jul 20, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from flix, Jul 27, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from jeanie Cruz, Aug 17, 2006
  • Re: I LOVE TIMOTHY   from Brokenarrow, Aug 15, 2006
  • Thats what happens   from jake, Aug 17, 2006
  • new light   from kevin, Sep 6, 2006
  • Almost eaten my self !!   from ShowCase Cabinets, Sep 8, 2006
  • A Greatr Man   from Matthew Cabeza, Nov 2, 2006
  • Re: A Great Man   from Jeanne, Feb 15, 2007
  • Butterworth Misses the Point   from WAYNE AYERS, Nov 16, 2006
  • idk   from idk, Feb 5, 2007
  • idk   from idk, Feb 8, 2007
  • dumb ass   from david weaver, Mar 2, 2007
  • Mental Illness   from BearLover, Jan 2, 2008
  • Love those critters   from sid, Dec 27, 2008